C64 not loved as much as Speccy?

[LeeT]

According to the guys over at World Of Spectrum.

I've made my feelings known in a post on the second page of that thread but the usual cliches are coming out ("the speccy is much more than a games machine" - er, right?!).

Now I'm not wanting to start a flame war but if you are also a member of WoS (like myself) then maybe you want to post some facts about new C64 developments etc...

[shteev]

As far as the UK goes, I think there's something intrinsic to the nature of the Spectrum which appeals to the British character.

We love
1) crap things (like the Eurovision song contest)
2) crap British things (like Eddie 'The Eagle' Edwards)
3) British inventors (like James Dyson)
and especially
4) crap British inventors (like Colin Pilinger).

Sir Clive was onto a winner before he'd ever picked up a soldering iron...

[Wally]

Reading that Wos link reminds me of just how small minded and moronic most specky enthusiasts are.

[Fröhn]

It's typical WoS bla-bla, just ignore it. It's just a bunch of people who got bitter about the fact that they couldn't afford a C64 back then.

[jbuonacc]

yes, their argument is pretty pathetic.

god, the Spectrum has the harshest color scheme i've even seen. ghastly!

also, there's so much variety in software/hardware/uses for the C64, which makes it a very exciting system in many ways. what does the Spectrum have in this regard?

[d0c]

It's typical WoS bla-bla, just ignore it. It's just a bunch of people who got bitter about the fact that they couldn't afford a C64 back then.

and now they are 30+ and still cant afford one?


anyway i got the c64,zx and cpc.... the others are nice machines, but the c64 is the better one clearly no doubt about that.

[Lockett]

Yeah, the C64 had more varied software - the Spectrum basically had isometric games and slot machine "simulators", while the CPC had a bunch of bottom-of-the-barrel platformers. It also had much better hardware(the only competitors that could touch it were the Ataris with their 16-bit sound and the CPC with its 27-color palette - the Enterprise doesn't count because it was never really a competitor) - that's why there are a million SID editors and C64 sprite editors, while there's almost nothing for the others. As said before, the remixing scene is also practically exclusive to the C64.

Also, you don't see Spectrum owners writing love songs about their computers. That's definitive proof that we love the C64 more.

[sixstringmonk]

No contest

[gklinger]

If the only thing Speccy users can do to feel good about themselves and their computers is to trash the 64, so be it. I don't see the point in dignifying such threads with thoughtful responses because they're clearly not looking for rational discussion.

Besides, I find their inferiority complex cute.

[Lockett]

If the only thing Speccy users can do to feel good about themselves and their computers is to trash the 64, so be it. I don't see the point in dignifying such threads with thoughtful responses because they're clearly not looking for rational discussion.

Besides, I find their inferiority complex cute.

I don't get it. Are you saying that the average Spectrum user/fan cares enough about how much less the average C64 user/fan cares about their computer(e.g. the C64) that the knowledge, real or perceived, of such shallow devotion to such a meaningless cause, elevates their self-perception? Indeed, that it is the only possible source for such emotional gratification?

Maybe it's gklinger who's a bit insecure about his fanhood being questioned, hmm?

Really, I don't see any psychological reason for any of this.

[gklinger]

I don't get it.

I should have typed more slowly.

Are you saying that the average Spectrum user/fan cares enough about how much less the average C64 user/fan cares about their computer(e.g. the C64) that the knowledge, real or perceived, of such shallow devotion to such a meaningless cause, elevates their self-perception?

Let me have that one again, preferably in English.

Indeed, that it is the only possible source for such emotional gratification?

Chewing gum? Motor scooter. Kuala Lumpur!

Maybe it's gklinger who's a bit insecure about his fanhood being questioned, hmm?

You should consider wearing a parachute before making leaps like that.

Really, I don't see any psychological reason for any of this.

You attribute it to what, the tides?

[Lockett]

Are you saying that the average Spectrum user/fan cares enough about how much less the average C64 user/fan cares about their computer(e.g. the C64) that the knowledge, real or perceived, of such shallow devotion to such a meaningless cause, elevates their self-perception?

Let me have that one again, preferably in English.

OK. Basically, I said that there's no way that Spectrum fans care enough about how much more they love their computer than we love ours that they talk about it to make themselves feel better.

Maybe it's gklinger who's a bit insecure about his fanhood being questioned, hmm?

You should consider wearing a parachute before making leaps like that.

IT WAS A JOKE.

Really, I don't see any psychological reason for any of this.

You attribute it to what, the tides?

No, I attribute it to Spectrum fans having their fun. God knows how many times we've talked about how pokey their little black box is, but we never did it because of any psychobabble like inferiority complexes. Why should it be any different for them? We talk about how their computer is inferior, and they talk about how the C64's fandom is inferior. There's nothing more to it.

[Arkhan]

Well wheres the Shredz64 and DDR spoofs for spectrum?

or the I LOVE MY SPECTRUM hoodies? I got a I love my C64 hoodie from here...

or all the hackjobs and addons that people are still designing ?

We got them for our C64!

[R64]

Man there's no point in getting emotional.

C64 users are fundamentally the same, for the sake of argument, as Speccy users.

It's like saying Australia is better than New Zealand, cause it's bigger. It's only an argument that's going to mean anything to the participants.

Basically it boils down to:

"The C64 is better because "

Vs.

"The Spectrum is better because "



...


Then again if you compare technical specifications...

[DanSolo]

I wouldn't mind getting a ZX myself, but I'm not sure which of the +1/+2/+3 or whatever is the same as the 48K except has a keyboard that isn't sh1te. (And speccites out there, that keyboard is neither cute, quaint or idiosyncratic. It's sh1te.) There's no doubt there are some killer games on it.
I plain don't like the way BASIC is typed in by keyword, but the BASIC itself is great. And the Z80 is a very good processor. If it had more colour RAM and a SID chip it might even have been serious competition for the C64.