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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Commodore USA to release updated Commodore 64 Reply with quote

Well, it's actually a PC that is in a C64 shell:

This is not SPAM, I have been a member for a while, just have not been around. I just found this to be interesting.

Commodore USA, in August 2010, announced that it has reached a licensing agreement that will allow it to produce a full line of new Commodore branded All-in-One (AIO) keyboard computers and intends to start selling an exact replica of the original beige chassis C64. Cue some misty eyed reminiscing from a large part of our readership.

Because users would think the original 8-bit C64’s specs a bit lacking nowadays and would find the prospect of loading games from a tape drive positively antiquated, the updated Commodore PC64 will include an Intel Atom 525 CPU with NVIDIA Ion2 graphics, 4GB DDR3 memory, 1TB Hdd, HDMI, DVD/CD optical drive (Blu-ray optional), dual-link DVI, six USB ports, integrated 802.11n WiFi, bluetooth and a 6-in-1 media card reader.

The company will also release a Pro version featuring a 2.66 GHz Intel Core I7 processor, NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M with 512 MB, 2 TB hard drive, 4GB DDR3 SDRAM and BLU RAY drive. However, the PC64 Pro won’t feature the original C64 casing.

The PC64 and PC64 Pro will join Commodore USA’s current lineup which includes the Amigo (that's an "o" not an "a" at the end) – a basic entry level AIO computer featuring a system on a chip configuration –, the Invictus – another keyboard computer but with an embedded LCD display –, and the recently released Phoenix – the company’s flagship model powered by an Intel Core 2 Duo or Quad Core processor. Images of these are in the gallery.

Commodore USA plans to release the PC64 and PC64 Pro in time for Christmas. No word on pricing as yet.

PC64


PC64 PRO


If you can imagine, with today's technology, what they could actually fit inside a C64 shell these days? Well, there ya go... Could probebly get more in there!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they are hoping on getting these out for Christmas they had better get started on a Prototype for the breadbox version. Also they should contact the guy who designed the fantasy case on the bottom and see if they can get him to do some design work so they can get it built.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is no news and have already been covered, the black one is a picture of a fan-made Amiga rendering that can be found - with no photo edit at Aminet. The one with the CD/DVD-drive in the end has been stolen from another site and the first picture is one of a quite ordinary C64.

People with too much money that like buying things unseen may want to take a chance with this. I won't even consider it before I see what kind of cock up they'll present.

Their whole site is really poor quality and it seems to me that all they have managed to done so far is to buy the rights to the Commodore 64 logos and then they imported some generic keyboard computers...

Current Commodore USA seems like joke to me.


http://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35105

Seems they steal their text as well:
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Quote from aw.net.

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but the Commodore USA story gets worse and worse. Compare http://www.commodoreusa.net/Co...puter.html to http://www.apple.com/macmini/design.html.

"There’s nothing like Mac mini. At just 6.5 inches square and 2 inches tall, it’s designed to take up far less room — and use far less energy — than any other desktop computer."

"Introducing the Commodore Phoenix. There’s nothing like it. At just 17.5 inches wide and 2 inches tall, it’s designed to take up far less room — and use far less energy — than any other desktop computer."

"Small. Simple. Beautiful. Mac mini has a sleek, anodized aluminum case and clean, white surface. It’s small, elegant, and unassuming. In fact, it looks so simple it's hard to believe it’s a computer at all."

"Small. Simple. Beautiful. [The Commodore Phoenix] has a sleek, aluminum finish case and a clean, contemporary surface. It's small, elegant, and unassuming. In fact, it looks so simple it's hard to believe it's a computer at all."
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both pages are not available now. Probably Apple should sue CUSA. They are making a joke out of Commodore Sad If I wanted a PC running built in emulation, I'd buy a cheap netbook Rolling Eyes I stop reading such news unless I find there is a real SID chip in there.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I bought an MSI Wind it is pretty good, no sid chip inside though. But winamp is available for it Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, since this machine that CUSA seems to have failed with us fans, then what are we looking for? If the Commodore fan community (such as here) decided to build a full-size something C64, what would it be? I'm not talking about the C-One or DTV or C65 or whatever, I'm asking for something new. So what would it look like and what features/hardware/software would it have?

I've seen similar - but different - questions poking around before, but I think this question should be reviewed once again. I do some 3D CAD now and again, so perhaps I can have a try at it, at least in the looks department. That fan-made PC64 Pro render doesn't look bad at all, just not sure if that design is the "that's it!" with fans.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

e5frog wrote:
The one with the CD/DVD-drive in the end has been stolen from another site

http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/
Make me one and I might buy it CUSA. It's pretty cool!
(thought it admittedly has nothing whatsoever to do with you)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well im going to buy one, because if none of you guys buy one im sure i will have an extremely rare pc in a few years i can put on evilbay, get rich and lay on the beach all day drinking beer and dating supermodels.....
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a military spec one, they are worth more.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so many people are really stired up over the new pc64! the purists out there think its an insult because its not a commodore computer rather a pc.
should we embrace a presented copy of our favourite old skool computerl like we did with the dtv or should we ignore it like the web it 64??? i think neither, but can commodore usa give us what we really want in a commodore computer? can they get jeri onboard and build a new commodore computer??? come on! a new c-one commodore computer is what we want! could it be that commodore usa might listen to the community?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Pure insanity.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

retrogamer-downunder wrote:
so many people are really stired up over the new pc64! the purists out there think its an insult because its not a commodore computer rather a pc.
should we embrace a presented copy of our favourite old skool computerl like we did with the dtv or should we ignore it like the web it 64??? i think neither, but can commodore usa give us what we really want in a commodore computer? can they get jeri onboard and build a new commodore computer??? come on! a new c-one commodore computer is what we want! could it be that commodore usa might listen to the community?


Actually, Commodore had several PCs called Colt, PC-10, etc... What would be great is if they make a new model, Intel Based, but still used Commodore 64/128 OS. Maybe call it BASIC 2010 or something. Why people are upset is that they are saying it is like a new 64 but there is nothing 64 about it but somewhat of how it looks. It runs Linux, Windows, etc... But where is the Commodore BASIC interpreter?

I would be more impressed if it came out with servers, desktop, etc... Like Dell. Commodore, at the time of its peek, was about looking forward.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commodore did have PCs, yeah, I used to sell them too. They stopped the colt series at the 486 CPU level? I think, the PC 50/III?. The PC 10 was an Intel 8088, so they already made Intel based computers. This new one would be neat to have, that's all, but for the money, is it worth the novelty status? Who knows, and if they'll even make it to market.

Saw a VIC-20 for sale at a Good Will store, they wanted $25.00 for it...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like if they we're trying to sell airplanes and they'd get an Airbus A380 (or whatever) and slap their own brand name on it, raise the price and sold them as their own new airplanes - and on their site they would have pictures of other planes or pictures of planes that were rendered by someone else...
Telling everyone that their upcoming new plane would look like that.

I'd be interested to see the new versions and pictures of them, I hardly think I would be able to afford to buy one. It will also be interesting to see how they're going to use a modern operating system with as few keys as the C64 has... Keyboard expansion module that plugs in from the right side perhaps?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermsk wrote:
What would be great is if they make a new model, Intel Based, but still used Commodore 64/128 OS. Maybe call it BASIC 2010 or something. Why people are upset is that they are saying it is like a new 64 but there is nothing 64 about it but somewhat of how it looks.

Therein lies the problem. If Commodore was still around, what would they be doing now and what kind of O/Ses would they make. Would they still be in the 8-bit business (I doubt it) or making the Amiga 40000? Or ditch Amiga and go Intel altogether and still survive? Developing a "new" C= machine with some sort of basic/fundamental language (like BASIC) would make it look like a toy (again?) in most everyones' eyes who are not fans of C=. If you make it look like a C=, but has the power of today's machines, then it could be more potentially profitable, inside and outside the C= community. As already said, Commodore dipped themselves into the IBM-compatible business with the Colts, etc, because they knew of its profitability. Acquiring the Amiga was the same act. The C65 was going in the right direction, but that too was too little too late, chapter 11, etc. For it to be really unique, it really would have to be made of customized chips and CPU, which is partly what we're really whining about too. But in the end, I guess something like Basic 2010 -- and maybe also a GUI like GEOS 2010... or GEOS 7 -- does sound nice.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if commodore were still around today they would have most likely gone the way of the mac, they would have stayed amiga possibly....

everybody copies nowdays, why not commodore?? they tried the apple path but stuffed up, honestly why did they make the mp3 players before the computers???? make the new commodore pcs, then make touch screen phones and mp3 players to match and then make a new games console! call it amiga cdpc32!!! yeah see! commodore is back!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

retrogamer-downunder wrote:
if commodore were still around today they would have most likely gone the way of the mac, they would have stayed amiga possibly....

everybody copies nowdays, why not commodore?? they tried the apple path but stuffed up, honestly why did they make the mp3 players before the computers???? make the new commodore pcs, then make touch screen phones and mp3 players to match and then make a new games console! call it amiga cdpc32!!! yeah see! commodore is back!


You are whackadoo. Very Happy Listen: that's not Commodore. That's just some US company that stole the name. It has no connection to CBM. No amount of cheerleading will change the fact that this new company is simply profiteering, and has nothing of what attracts us to vintage Commodore machines.
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in my field brand names are solid, and mate they pay my bills, especially when i can appeal to generation x! i love the fact that i could build something that resembles a 1957 chev and place a korean engine in it and people would line up to buy it. whackadoo? no legend or genius will be fine.

yes it is pure and simple profiteering, and beautiful one at that! heck the amount of people that will buy one of these in my country(sorry to those that arent in the middle of a mining boom). commodore usa are appealing to large number of people and im gathering they will have some success. after my boss saw the pheonix, he has decided its the way to go, plus my workmate likes the pc64 as it is a pc he can surf the net with and it has that nostalgic look. the all in one approach to computing is once again gaining popularity.

now getting back to the big picture, commodore usa will not put out a 64 value pack with a 1541 and a joystick right! they will not bring out and commodore 64 gs console, they wont even bring out a damn dtv! i dont even think jeri ellsworth is going to ever sit at a table with commodore usa and design something.

you see its plain and simple to explain alot of people who liked the commodore/amiga brand want to see it back in some form or another, lets see what the problem is.... pmc30 hard drive mp3 player, gravel, commodore gaming pc, commodore netbook..... yes you got its been done before! theres no new features, better off buying the lg, or samsung alternative for less! we are lacking innovation. realistically the commdore brand is being licenced out to companies trying to make a buck.

so mate what do you reckon dead and buried? perhaps, but all one would have to do is make a dtv with an sd ram slot in the back.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

retrogamer-downunder wrote:
...perhaps, but all one would have to do is make a dtv with an sd ram slot in the back.


We have something like that already -- the MCC-216.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To anyone considering spending hundreds on a C64 PC, you might want to consider this instead: http://www.vesalia.de/e_keyrah.htm

40EUR, stick it in an old breadbin case, and you get the same effect while still being able to use a normal PC. I did it for a week and got bored with the idea, there just aren't enough keys on a C64 keyboard.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tone007 wrote:
To anyone considering spending hundreds on a C64 PC, you might want to consider this instead: http://www.vesalia.de/e_keyrah.htm

40EUR, stick it in an old breadbin case, and you get the same effect while still being able to use a normal PC. I did it for a week and got bored with the idea, there just aren't enough keys on a C64 keyboard.


Just out of curiousity, which one did you buy? There are 4 different choices.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems strange that the C128D adapted type is cheaper than the one for C128 as there's the expensive connector on the C128D version...

This is the cheaper and should work for a C64:
http://www.vesalia.de/e_keyrah%5B4824%5D.htm
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Do they make one for a PS2 connector? I was looking at taken a broken 64 and make it my keyboard for the MCC-216.
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Nope.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell, if I'm in the market for a new stationary PC, I would happily buy one that looked like a C64...as long as the asking price mirrored it's oomph!.
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