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Groupie


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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:53 am Post subject: Which C64 psu? |
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I have three different power supplies, a standard black supply, a beige unit, and the sloping edge style supply. I've read on here a few times that the black units are more prone to failure and I wondered if the other two unit are better?
The power figures read differently on my black unit as a point of interest but it hasn't caused any glitches with my bread bins yet. _________________ |
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Grandmaster of C64


Joined: 14 Jul 2002 Posts: 1791 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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They are, more or less, the same in terms of durability.
I don't have any preferences as I don't use them at all, apart from casual gaming sessions or short motherboards tests. Theorically, the older ones are more prone to failure but - on the other hand - they are repairable.
The later model is more powerful (+0,2A on 5VDC) but internal regulator used for the 5VDC is cheap. Dunno about the quality of the transistor used in Breadbins PSUs for regulation.
Cheers,
Oge _________________ |
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Grandmaster of C64


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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:18 am Post subject: |
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A black supply is by far not "standard" for C64. It might be a plus4 supply though. |
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Groupie


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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Fröhn wrote: | | A black supply is by far not "standard" for C64. It might be a plus4 supply though. |
Maybe it was a regional variation, a friends C64 back in 1984 was supplied with a black psu, same shape as the the c64c power supply with logo. _________________
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Groupie


Joined: 25 Jan 2011 Posts: 298 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Fröhn wrote: | | A black supply is by far not "standard" for C64. It might be a plus4 supply though. |
Maybe it's a standard PSU that got very hot ... _________________
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C64 Enthusiast


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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Best power supplies are the black terahedral ones with a Commodore label and air vents on the top and screws underneath so you can open them.
The Commodore 128 power supplies look very similar except they are beige IIRC.
It's the "door wedge" and "brick" epoxy ones that die easily. Avoid them if you can. |
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Grandmaster of C64


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Grandmaster of C64


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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:28 am Post subject: |
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in australia the very early breadbins had the triangle shaped power supplies in australia, then the later breadbins had the black vented ones, then with the 64c we were introduced to the square beige(light) ones. _________________ raid over moscow does my head in! |
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Groupie


Joined: 30 Dec 2011 Posts: 181 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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I always thought the power supply was wedged shaped so I could warm my feet on it! |
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Grandmaster of C64


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Master of C64


Joined: 29 Dec 2001 Posts: 1384 Location: Austria
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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hehe, some confusion here
Most US C64 breadboxes came with black psu! Euro C64 breadboxes came with beige horseshoe psu.
C64-C came with white rectangle psu.
Theoretically, the white C64-C psu is littel bit stronger than the others, and the US black psu has a bad reputation.
From my experience, however, the horseshoe is not that bad.
Best, however, is a (plug-modified) C128 psu like Fröhn suggested, or a power psu. _________________ currently looking for:
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Forum Junkie

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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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What exactly is "horseshoe psu"? |
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Grandmaster of C64


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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| Fröhn wrote: | | The best ones are the 1764 power supplies, essentially just C128 PSU's with C64 connector. They came with the 1764 REU. |
C128 PSUs are rated for 4.3A while 1764 PSUs are rated for 2.5A on the 5Vdc so they aren't the same.
C128 PSUs are also considerably heavier as they use a single huge transformer for both the 9Vac and 5Vdc.
From what I saw inside, 1764 PSUs are more similar to A500/A600 PSUs with the 5V being produced with a fully switching technology converter.
This makes them less powerful but much safer, durable and stable than a C128 PSU. _________________
I have a crystal ball... it is rectangular in shape, made of beige plastic with a tag on it that says Tektronix TDS 1002. |
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Master of C64


Joined: 29 Dec 2001 Posts: 1384 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: |
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hmm, I will have to check this.
The one I use myself actually isa C128 psu with different connector, and I think also some 1764 were sold together with such psu over here.
But I also have one which reads 1764 psu on the back. I always thought they were the same ? Will have a look when I find some time.
Thanks for this info! _________________ currently looking for:
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Grandmaster of C64


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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| eslapion wrote: | | Fröhn wrote: | | The best ones are the 1764 power supplies, essentially just C128 PSU's with C64 connector. They came with the 1764 REU. |
C128 PSUs are rated for 4.3A while 1764 PSUs are rated for 2.5A on the 5Vdc so they aren't the same.
C128 PSUs are also considerably heavier as they use a single huge transformer for both the 9Vac and 5Vdc. |
Below my table I have both of them right next to each other and they both have exactly the same rating: 2.5A on the 5VDC and 1A on the 9VAC.
The only difference is that one says "POWER SUPPLY C128 P/NO. 310416-03" and the other one says "POWER SUPPLY C 64/1764 P/NO. 310416-09". |
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Immortal Grandmaster of C64

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:47 am Post subject: |
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and they are actually *exactly* the same, also internally. the sticker and the plug are the only difference. _________________ |
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Grandmaster of C64


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Master of C64


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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like there is more difference in Euro and US psus except the different voltage  _________________ currently looking for:
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Grandmaster of C64


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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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I opened both power supplies (C128 and 1764), the internals are exactly the same. |
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Immortal Grandmaster of C64

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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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yep. so there seems to be another rule of thumb: stay away from north american psus =) _________________ |
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Groupie in Training


Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Age: 39 Posts: 64 Location: rednecksville,Fl,usa
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone sell the c64 protector thingy that Ray Carlsen has plans for?
Preferably on a board, with one male & one female DIN, so it can go between the computer and power supply? The thing that switches a relay when the DC goes over 5V, hopefully sooner than the C64 chips fry.... It would be worth the trouble if it made it safe to use the most common power supplies.
I was thinking it might be neat to try to make one, but it's still cheaper and easier just to use 2 wall warts and one connector. |
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Immortal Grandmaster of C64

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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The thing that switches a relay when the DC goes over 5V |
wtf a relay? what happened to the good old crowbar circuit?  _________________
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Immortal Grandmaster of C64


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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ceratophyllum wrote: | | Does anyone sell the c64 protector thingy that Ray Carlsen has plans for? |
I'm working on one for a guy, as I built one for myself, but I don't think anyone is selling them.
A modern replacement in a tube with a male and female plug to just elongate the original plug would be handy. Maybe a two color led there as well... I was searching for some and wrote about it in another thread but the available chips seemed to break power pretty high compared to what we'd like for a C64. I'm thinking the highest voltage should be 5.5V on the 5V line. |
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Groupie in Training


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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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wtf a relay? what happened to the good old crowbar circuit? |
No special reason, just an old document. This is the thing I was looking at.
http://personalpages.tds.net/~.../saver.txt
Edit:Just read Wiki on crowbar. Does the C64 brick even have a fuse buried in all the epoxy? |
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Immortal Grandmaster of C64

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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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some do... but you can always add one right before the crowbar  _________________ |
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