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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all giddy like a school boy getting his....... well you get the idea. Smile

Excellent progress Skoe. You Da MAN!

Can;t wait to get one to try out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel the same and I wish I'll be able to afford it when it starts selling.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

progress is looking good, i cant wait for one of these too...


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto Great progress. Smile I'll have too find a way of getting one of these once sales commence.
I wanted too add jiffy dos too the educator 64 without mods and here it is.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today I released the hardware documents at https://bitbucket.org/skoe/eas...f3-kicad/. They can be opened with KiCad.

As I think the GPL is not very good applicable to hardware design documents, I release them under Creative Commons BY-SA (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/)

There are some minor improvements on my todo list, but no technical changes.

A few days ago I sent one EF3+KERNAL to Jim Brain, another one will go to Enthusi, as he is one of the most active developers for EasyFlash.

In the next days I'll also release the VHDL files and software. They still need some features until they can be called "complete". Later this evening I'll add a BOM which shows that all parts are currently available and which may be interesting for Jim, in case he wants to manufacture these cartridges.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This video shows the EasyFlash 3 including KERNAL in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75epPrKpVqI

Didn't know that editing a video is so much work Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cartridge Party
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see the line stretching around the block to order this one, very nice indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eating popcorn
Very nice video great demonstration.

Look forward too the release.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been sceptical over this whole "Kernal in cartridge" thing and felt it's basically nothing more than a way to install the treasured JiffyDOS for the incapable.

Now after seeing this demonstration I'm very impressed. If it were just for replacing the kernal I wouldn't bother, but the feature set is impressive! I'll probably get one when it's available.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am all over this!! Wow! Now the million dollar question, is there a way (via ML or BASIC) to "inject" the 1541 kernel via IEC? Basically wondering if that is possible then there is a true way to use JD on an SX64 without cracking the case. Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 questions When and Where do I get ONE Smile



Great work Skoe!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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is there a way (via ML or BASIC) to "inject" the 1541 kernel via IEC?

no. ofcourse not.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks nice - I'm in line too Smile And, the C64 on that LCD looked great too. Going through some kind of box or does that montior have native S-Video?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice Skoe Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

groepaz wrote:
no. ofcourse not.


Geez, sorry for my lack of omniscience. At risk of being given another, "NO DUMMY" answer I'll post one more question. Is it safe to assume then that all other "non drive HW modifying" fastloaders then only tweak the computer side of the IEC protocol while keeping it within scope of what the stock 1541 kernel can handle?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it safe to assume then that all other "non drive HW modifying" fastloaders then only tweak the computer side of the IEC protocol while keeping it within scope of what the stock 1541 kernel can handle?

no, ofcourse not Smile if you use another protocol, both sides will have to use it ofcourse. so usually these fastloaders send some code to the drive before loading.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me add that these software-only fast loaders usually send only a few 100 bytes to the drive RAM and start it there. This adds some overhead at the beginning. They can't send more, first because it takes a while and second because the drives simply don't have much RAM.

Jiffy DOS (and some other speeders) replace large parts of the DOS inside the drive. That's why they can't send it to there. It would be too large for the RAM and even if the RAM would be larger it would take too long.

btw. A usable KERNAL with a software-only fast loader is EXOS. There are several others.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That makes sense, thanks! Now you've made me curious and I'll need to do a windiff on the JD binary as compared to the original ROM to get an idea of the size of the delta. Perhaps it could be pared down to only have the IEC protocol mods, but leave out the stuff that handles interleave and such...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But...but...I've just started using my EasyFlash and I have to upgrade already!

Jim, a licensing question: If I already have a switchable JiffyDOS kernal (bought from you) do I need to license a second image to use in the EasyFlash 3?

Also, I don't suppose this will work in c128 mode, will it? Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's a good site or collection of KERNAL roms for the 64?

I have a turbo chameleon, and I've already had fun trying out the Japanese kernal and some of the other revisions.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of questions...

1. Will the EasyFlash 3 play nicely with devices like the 1541 Ultimate and the IDE64? Using JiffyDOS on the EF3 and 1541U would be really handy.

2. Is there a mode where the C64 can simply boot up with your selected kernal, without having to go through the menu?
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1. Most probably not. The EasyFlash mode uses large ranges of I/O space and the KERNAL mode plays with several control lines. There may be a way to implement a kind of co-existence mode, but several points are difficult or even impossible to realize with the current design. I assume sooner or later the 1541U II or III will have this feature built-in.

IMHO a drive belongs to the IEC bus and not to the Expansion Port Wink Unfortunately there's still no good stand-alone 1541-compatible replacement with display and some buttons...

2. That's a matter of software. A way could be that the menu software jumps to a KERNAL immediately unless e.g. a key is pressed. That's a good idea but I'll have no time to implement it in near future.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Understood. Regarding 2. , my motivation would be to use an auto-boot kernal I found a while back for a BBS - but having the EF3 menu stop the boot would defeat the point. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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IMHO a drive belongs to the IEC bus and not to the Expansion Port


Of course, the 1541u drive IS on the IEC bus and not the expansion bus.....
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