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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: C64 breadbox vs C64C Reply with quote

Which one is better?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: C64 breadbox vs C64C Reply with quote

TeamRocketReviews wrote:
Which one is better?


Depends on who you ask. I'm the first to reply and I believe the 64C is better, and is my favorite. But you can be sure several people who reply will say the breadbox is better.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breadbin!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has to be the original. The second one to me looks like it was intimidated by the Amiga and tried to copy its look. Plus, the SID is better on the original, isn't it? It's a bit like the 2600 where aesthetics go out the window: you gotta go for the woodgrain. And with C=, you need some breadbin!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

breadbin, its gotta be old skool.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have both! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: C64 breadbox vs C64C Reply with quote

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Which one is better?


I like the "breadbin" form factor, but I prefer the new motherboard and the new SID. The C64G had both... but white instead of brown...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Original is always better! When I was collecting different models back in the 90's I never picked up a 64C.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are in to Sound both units with the 2 different SID's (breadbin 6581) and (newer 64c 8580) are good for the collection.

If you not into all the Breadbin all the way. IMO Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breadbin. Or, to be precise, I prefer a transition motherboard revision which still had the good old 6581 but had newer RAM and PLA (it was included into some earlier C64Cs). And a very clean video output, too.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breadbin Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C64C ... far easier to use for hours on end.

I usually rip motherboards out of breadbins and put them in C64C cases.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moloch wrote:
I usually rip motherboards out of breadbins and put them in C64C cases.


Sacrilege!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moloch wrote:


I usually rip motherboards out of breadbins and put them in C64C cases.


I'm gonna call the police...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have both.

I prefer the sound on the breadbin, but the graphics output of the C64C is far better (in fact its better than the output from my C128).

The keyboards on them both are quite frankly rubbish, but the case build quality of the C64C is also slightly superior (my breadbin doesn't even have the sockets labelled).

The breadbin is better looking than the C64C without a doubt. I never liked the back of the C64C being lower than the keyboard, even when I got my first one in the early 90s and didn't know what the breadbin looked like. The breadbin logo is nicer and more individual to the machine.

They both have crappy PSUs that can't handle tasty mods...

I suppose my "Ultimate" C64 would be a C64C mainboard, fitted with Stereo SID so that output from both types of SID are possible in a clean breadbin case, powered by the PSU from a C128. Oh, I have that... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The breadbin all the way.

As others have suggested, there was a big difference with the sound. Load up any game or demo that featured speech, for example: IBall.

On the C64C, the speech channel is half the volume of that on the C64.

When I was a kid, I "upgraded" to a C64C and when my speech demos sounded "funny". I sent the machine into commodore for repair and supplied a disk and instructions. They themselves didn't really know what was wrong.

However, they did pretend on the repair note that something was "fixed". On return, it sounded no different.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the style of the breadbin. But i prefer the pale-version with the green-power light, the C64G. It's my favourite Commie to use. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For looks I'd definitely go with the Bread Bin, that's what a C64 should look like as far as I'm concerned.

As far as internals go The later C64c with more durable IC's is better in my opinion, I seldom had the sound hooked up to notice the difference. (I didn't want my parents knowing I was playing games at 2am.)

More recently I do have sound but I haven't gotten my C64c out in years, and I only use the bread bin my grandfather bought in '83 and gave to us when he bought a 128.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I owned a C64C during the time, I prefer the classic breadbin which I own now. I can't tell the internal differences, but it's more nicely compact for me, and it just looks... well, more classic and nicer Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oge_user wrote:
Breadbin. Or, to be precise, I prefer a transition motherboard revision which still had the good old 6581 but had newer RAM and PLA (it was included into some earlier C64Cs). And a very clean video output, too.


This.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have both, prefer the C64C as that was the first model I had, the breadbin looks just like a VIC 20 (with different colors) - and I had that before I got my C64C in 1987...

This one had the large motherboard with the 6581 SID and also the steelcage with those heat sink tongues on some of the chips.


The people who made it probably thinks the later models are the better considering all the improvements made. As far as I know the later revision of the SID was closer to what they wanted from the beginning. Wink


But I guess it's all about the good memories from when you were younger. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But I guess it's all about the good memories from when you were younger.


Same goes for me. My first commodore was a c16, that in my opinion looks better than a bread bin. The 64 i got after the 16 was a 64C so that's the one I like better. At the time I thought it looked SO modern Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only ever owned breadbin models. I actually like the look of the C64c, but would choose the breadbin for audio compatibility.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

However there are C64C:s that has the same motherboard as later C64:s.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only had the breadbin, so I can't compare. But if it was for ergonomics (as alluded to by Moloch), then maybe the C64C. My wrists never got used to typing on a breadbin. How many PC keyboards in the last 20 years have your wrists hovering a couple inches above the desk? Ok, maybe my old blocky clunky 486 laptop from 1992, but that doesn't count. Smile
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