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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bought myself the Peugeot 206cc on Saturday. Silver with red & black leather interior. Pick it up next Sat.

Was 50/50 with this or an MR2 - but the electric roof swung it. Just know if I had a soft top someone would slash it and a detatchable hard top is a bit of a pain in the arse

Just hope I get the chance to drive with the roof down - it is England after all!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My candy apple dodge viper, only comes out in the summer...



...Just kidding thats what I wish I was driving. I drive a gold Ford Focus ZTS.
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigitalQuirk wrote:
gklinger wrote:
How does trim enhance performance?


I'm glad you asked. The GT trim level of my car includes performance oriented upgrades over the base model which includes a ram air intake, four wheel disc brakes, wider and lower profile tires, a performance axle with a 3.29 final drive ratio, a 3.4L V6 engine rated at 175 HP and 205 lb. ft. of torque, tuned exhaust which flows better, much thicker sway bars, and a stiffer suspension. Note that most people confuse "Trim level" with actual "Trim." The actual meaning is, "Vehicle designation assigned by vehicle manufacturers that represent specific equipment packages." Source: http://autorepair.about.com/li...ef-666.htm

What this all translates to is a 0-60 run in around 7.7 seconds, a road handling index of .82g, and braking distance from 60-0 in 129 feet. While not "High Performance Sports Car" territory, it is significantly more performance-oriented than the base model (0-60 in 10 seconds, 60-0 in 148 feet) or even the base model with the optional V6 (0-60 in 8.4 seconds, 60-0 in 155 feet). In other words, a reasonably priced economy sedan with a little bit of fun (and style) thrown in.

Compare that to, say, a 2000 BMW 328i, which actually has a slightly worse road handling index of .79g and similar braking power (according to edmunds.com); it is quicker with a stick shift by a mere 0.6 seconds, but definitely not with an automatic (which is what I prefer). For the price, the options I want, and cost of operation, I'll take the Grand Am GT, please. Cool


Man,now you're trying to convince us your car is better than a comparable BMW.In the US in every comparo by reputable car mags road and track,car and driver etc. the Pontiac grand am placed last or at the bottom and that's amongst Toyota Camry,Honda Accord etc. a lower category than the sports sedan.
The 3 series is often referred to as the benchmark,the handling hero etc by most experts in its class. Not to mention how many awards received over the years like car of the year 10 year in a row from one mag.
These good reviews coming in not just from the US but Europe and else where.
Handling aside the cheap plastic interior of the grand am looks like it was made by Mattel .
I had some POS cars too in my early twenties but I didn't go out of my way to BS people or myself into believing that they were better than BMW's.
People who race cars will tell you BMW's,Mazda(Miata,RX8),Lotus exige etc. are great cars and the Grand Am will be at the bottom of their list.

And you prefer a slushbox ...nuff said
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno how the Pontiac rates but the BMW's reliability ratings are shite. They're fun to drive tho Cool

Autoboxes are a real performance killers and are almost never used when it comes to racing/rally as they don't give you full RPM control and engine braking is nowhere near as efficient as on a manual box. On a normal, day to day, A to B car that's only used for work and shopping an autobox can be ok, albeit a bit boring Razz

However, very few people realize that autoboxes (with extra cooling, mind you Wink ) are actually preferable in heavier off road conditions where the car has to crawl really slow or climb over tall rocks and such, as you will fry your clutch in such conditions. They're also used in almost every formula offroad car for speedier downshifts.

In snow and slippery conditions a manual box is preferable due to better engine braking and due to the fact that the clutch can actually save your sorry ass if the car starts slipping or fishtailing. Proper clutch control will also prevent you from getting stuck in snow, which is on contrary to the popular belief that flooring the car will get it up that snowy hill Laughing

So autoboxes and manual boxes are both good, although it really depends on your driving style and needs. I prefer manual btw Wink
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quincy wrote:
Man,now you're trying to convince us your car is better than a comparable BMW.


For my driving needs, yes.

Quincy wrote:
The 3 series is often referred to as the benchmark,the handling hero etc by most experts in its class.


Well then, you explain to me why the 318i had a slightly worse road handling index than my Grand Am GT, according to edmunds.com.

Quincy wrote:
People who race cars will tell you BMW's,Mazda(Miata,RX8),Lotus exige etc. are great cars and the Grand Am will be at the bottom of their list.

And you prefer a slushbox ...nuff said


Uh...yeah, that's 'cause I did't buy my car to race it; I bought it to drive back and forth to work in everyday traffic, where I'm not wearing out my left leg and clutch plate clutching in and out all the way to and from work. I also wanted a good highway cruiser with good handling characteristics for those family trips back in the twisty roads of Northern Ontario. If I wanted a race car, there are much better choices out there than a 318i for less money than a 318i. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigitalQuirk wrote:
Quincy wrote:
Man,now you're trying to convince us your car is better than a comparable BMW.


For my driving needs, yes.

Quincy wrote:
The 3 series is often referred to as the benchmark,the handling hero etc by most experts in its class.


Well then, you explain to me why the 318i had a slightly worse road handling index than my Grand Am GT, according to edmunds.com.

Quincy wrote:
People who race cars will tell you BMW's,Mazda(Miata,RX8),Lotus exige etc. are great cars and the Grand Am will be at the bottom of their list.

And you prefer a slushbox ...nuff said


Uh...yeah, that's 'cause I did't buy my car to race it; I bought it to drive back and forth to work in everyday traffic, where I'm not wearing out my left leg and clutch plate clutching in and out all the way to and from work. I also wanted a good highway cruiser with good handling characteristics for those family trips back in the twisty roads of Northern Ontario. If I wanted a race car, there are much better choices out there than a 318i for less money than a 318i. Rolling Eyes



FYI,A mere .6 sec faster in 0-60mph is actually a huge difference.I use Edmunds.com to get dealer invoice prices and such....If you want somewhat good reviews use Car magazine,Top gear,road and track etc .

The Grand Am isn't sporty at all, it just looks sporty...GM fooled ya,please quit comparing it to the 3series.There's nothing wrong with your car,it's not a 3 series killer tho.Go for the Toyota Camry or Honda Accord and it still loses.
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2007 Honda Accord EX-L with 2.4L I4 and 5-speed manual.

If you drive a stick every day, driving it in traffic is not that bad, and it's a much better driving experience. I really despise driving an automatic now.

I spent the $1,800 I saved by not buying the automatic by upgrading to the EX-L trim with leather seats, power everything, and navigation system. I use the navigation system a lot - it's a really great feature. It adds far more value to me than an automatic transmission would.
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhotoJim wrote:
2007 Honda Accord EX-L with 2.4L I4 and 5-speed manual.

If you drive a stick every day, driving it in traffic is not that bad, and it's a much better driving experience. I really despise driving an automatic now.

I spent the $1,800 I saved by not buying the automatic by upgrading to the EX-L trim with leather seats, power everything, and navigation system. I use the navigation system a lot - it's a really great feature. It adds far more value to me than an automatic transmission would.


Agreed plus better MPG.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quincy wrote:
FYI,A mere .6 sec faster in 0-60mph is actually a huge difference.


I suppose, if you're into racing, either at the track or with illegal street racing. That said, if I were into racing, there are cars that cost less than the 3 series which are another .6 seconds or faster than it; if racing is your thing. Rolling Eyes Me, I'll take the convenience of my modern automatic transmission.

Quincy wrote:
The Grand Am isn't sporty at all, it just looks sporty...GM fooled ya,please quit comparing it to the 3series.There's nothing wrong with your car,it's not a 3 series killer tho.Go for the Toyota Camry or Honda Accord and it still loses.


Yep, they fooled everyone; that's why it has a better roadhandling index than the 328i... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DigitalQuirk wrote:
Quincy wrote:
FYI,A mere .6 sec faster in 0-60mph is actually a huge difference.


I suppose, if you're into racing, either at the track or with illegal street racing. That said, if I were into racing, there are cars that cost less than the 3 series which are another .6 seconds or faster than it; if racing is your thing. Rolling Eyes Me, I'll take the convenience of my modern automatic transmission.

Quincy wrote:
The Grand Am isn't sporty at all, it just looks sporty...GM fooled ya,please quit comparing it to the 3series.There's nothing wrong with your car,it's not a 3 series killer tho.Go for the Toyota Camry or Honda Accord and it still loses.


Yep, they fooled everyone; that's why it has a better roadhandling index than the 328i... Rolling Eyes


Just trying to keep you honnest,although not a fan of Edmunds.com...

The Bimmer has an editor rating of 7.9 and consumer rating of 8.9 while the grand am has no editor rating and a consumer rating(8.2).Emunds.com pry didn't even test the grand am.

Here are reviews of both cars by Edmunds.com

For the BMW 3 series:

What Edmunds.com says

If you've got the bucks, this is unequivocally the best car in the entry-luxury category.
Pros
Luxurious, powerful, exceptional road manners, available all-wheel drive for sedan and wagon.
Cons
Pricey for their market segment, limited rear-seat space and cargo capacity.

http://www.edmunds.com/used/20...itors.html



Handling score of 10 out of 10.



For the grand am:

What Edmunds.com says

A viable import alternative, but don't expect Camry- or Accord-like resale values or build quality.
Pros
Lots of standard features, available five-speed manual transmission, crisp handling.
Cons
Price creep has followed sales growth, true sport sedans need a five-speed with a V6, cheap interior pieces.
What's New for 2002
Base model SEs get a new 2.2-liter four-cylinder engine, while GTs get newly styled 16-inch wheels. All models receive a console upgrade and two new exterior colors.

The Editor didn't even bother to rate the grand am and show dates when they test drove the car.

Handling score of the grand am: None.

I don't think much of Edmunds,com reviews just wanted to accommodate you.

Where did you get the road handling numbers of both cars on edmunds.com?
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own a Chrysler 300C and it's my first automatic and I just love it.
No more manual transmission for me! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to good at this internet thing yet, eh, Quincy?

Here, I'll hand-hold you by providing the links:

http://www.edmunds.com/used/20...specs.html

http://www.edmunds.com/used/20...specs.html

Note that the 2000 model is representative of all Grand Am GT's built after '99.

Let's compare the two, shall we?

323i has a 2.5L V6 which produces 170 horsepower, and 181 lb. ft. of torque. It has an EPA rating of 20MPG city, 29MPG highway with the stick shift transmission.

Grand Am GT has a 3.4L V6 which produces 175 horsepower and 205 lb. ft. of torque. It has an EPA rating of 20MPG city, and 32MPG highway with the automatic transmission. That's with regular octane gas.

Note that, even though the Grand Am GT has a larger displacement engine, which produces more horsepower and torque, and is connected to a supposedly less efficient transmission, and weighs 15 lbs. more than the 323i, it yields better overall fuel economy. I wonder, whatever happened to that so-called superior German engineering? Rolling Eyes

Not only is the road handling index better, the Grand Am GT also has a slightly shorter stopping distance. This in spite of the fact that it is a slightly heavier car. Wink

Of course, we're talking 2002 here. Today, you could buy a BMW 328i coupe for over $35,000; or you could get a G6 GXP for $10,000 less. Hmm, a German engineered car with a 3.0L engine that produces 230HP and 200 lb. ft. of torque, or an American built car with a 3.6L engine that produces 252 HP and 251 lb. ft. of torque? You get bonus points if you knew that the G6 GXP also gets better fuel mileage; 20/28 vs. the 328i's pitiful 18/27.

I personally feel that BMW's are overrated, but clearly, you're buying what they're selling. Buy on, Quincy! Laughing
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bought myself a vw passat turbo diesel estate, fuel economy is great, plenty of room for the kids etc..
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the one and only, the mighty VOLVO 744 -1986! Smile
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the one and only, the mighty VOLVO 744 -1986! Smile


Great cars Cool
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'85 Mercedes 190 (W201) Diesel Smile Very comfortable and economic...
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1970 dodge dart. I hate it. i want to demo derby that gas guzzlin piece of crap.


I like all your japanese cars Wiskow. that first van is great. its like an egg on wheeeels.
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I'll trade my '95 Saab for your Dart.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll trade my '95 Saab for your Dart.


thatd be like trading a half eaten candy bar for a kick in the balls...
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Ha, which one's the half-eaten candy bar?
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I'll trade my '95 Saab for your Dart.


thatd be like trading a half eaten candy bar for a kick in the balls...


Is the Dart the half-eaten candy bar, or is it the kick in the balls? Wink

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well for me, driving that things a kick in the balls.

bastard died in the middle of intersection and Ialmost got T-boned.


its always something DUMB that goes wrong. not anything major

how a battery cable comes loose is beyond me

or how a plastic bag gets stuck to the radiator and blows the thingy on top is beyond me also.
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Haha ..

My mercedes refused to work just once, immediately after refuel. Well, the coals in the generator were rubbed off and the battery was finally empty, that damn control light was extemely dark, so I didn't notice it earlier Surprised

Right now I'm thinking about buying a '87 190D with nearly no rust to replace mine -- it became a bit TOO rusty Sad
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arkhan wrote:
bastard died in the middle of intersection and Ialmost got T-boned.


its always something DUMB that goes wrong. not anything major

how a battery cable comes loose is beyond me

or how a plastic bag gets stuck to the radiator and blows the thingy on top is beyond me also.


Well, even after hearing a little bit of the history of the car, my offer still stands. I need car #50. ha
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