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Master of C64


Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Age: 41 Posts: 1026 Location: Norway
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Merman and Frank for those informative replies. I should have read more of the GTW articles on their site - then I would have known myself. I've read some of them, but there are still many to go. A great site!! I'm surprised to see how many games that the site has managed to find. How do you track down all the information?
In time it will be a problem finding new additions - since there must be a finite number of games that weren't  Perhaps some of the old titles get's picked up and get completed still?
Would have been awesome to see a complete version of Time Crystals. Remember I seeing a working demo of the game (in an early stage) made by JD Sachs (Saucer Attack). It was and still is a masterpiece of pixeled artwork. Especially the waterfall and dinosaurs sprites. Sound was great too. I will look up the article on that game - see if I find some news regarding the fate of the game. IIRC it was shelved by Sachs himself due to excessive pirating of US software at the time.
Speaking of Sachs & Saucer Attack (the original US disk release), it seems to be a HOT title - I've seen it twice on 'da 'bay. Anyone ( Jerry? ) got a link to the last one seen auctioned - or what price it got? I remember a BIN version (8-9 months ago) sold for £70. |
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Master of C64


Joined: 10 May 2012 Posts: 1332 Location: London
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| jerellis1 wrote: | | I'm still looking for an example of Heavy Metal Paradroid, which I imagine would be one of the most sought-after budget titles now (even though this version of Paradroid was never actually released as a full-price title). I used to have it but the condition wasn't the best, so I let it go... I thought at the time it would be easy to find a replacement, but that was quite a few years ago now and I've not managed to get hold of one yet. Ah well, the search continues...! |
I had two and sold both eventually for about £35 each few years ago IIRC. |
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Master of C64


Joined: 04 May 2002 Posts: 1402 Location: Kent, England
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: |
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No worries hbhzth. As for finding all the info - its a combination of researching on the web, contacting devs via various means (Facebook, LinkedIn etc), researching via old magazines and scans.
Indeed as time goes on, it will be harder to find the commercially intended GTW's (as summed up by my recent blog post.. http://fgasking.wordpress.com/...are-dying/) . Stuff being produced now that may not get completed will be easier as most people will have things kept digitally already. _________________ |
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Grandmaster of C64


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Master of C64


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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the post Jerry. Nice artwork.
It's no doubt - the US disk version got the best cover artwork. I don't know if the game got any nice intro's like the demo version of Time Crystals had. I remember having Saucer Attack on turbo tape (and later as one file on disk) - it was extremely short. Only about 60 blocks - or something. It was only the saucer invader part though. Keine introduktion gibt es!
Would have been awesome if JDS had made the full version he had planned - with tanks in the streets and being able to move around in the city, IIRC. That would have been more fitting for the disk format, I think
I guess Sachs was more of an amazing game designer rather than being a master programmer? Was it cut short due to lack of having a team doing the full version?
There's some of his artwork on a recent forum thread - worth checking out. It was ahead of it's time... and probably inspired a lot of upcoming C64 artists. |
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Groupie in Training


Joined: 30 Mar 2012 Age: 40 Posts: 79 Location: Dover
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Alter Ego went for a fantastic £151 in the end so I'm very happy with the result!
Honourable mentions also for Blue Max on tape which once again went crazy, finishing at £45.50 plus p&p, and Out Run on tape - surely one of the most common C64 titles ever released (I must have about a dozen copies in the attic!) which sold for an impressive £11.50 plus p&p.  |
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Master of C64


Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Age: 41 Posts: 1026 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Congrats on the Alter Ego auction Jerellis1. It has to be a decent price for this title. Is it me or does US titles sells better in EU almost every time? I saw you got some good prices on a couple of tape games too  Less said - the better. It's madness - but oh so rare games that collectors have to jump at the chance when it presents itself.
Must be exciting for a seller to watch the final seconds... Having popular titles that ends around the same time, picking up speed the last 10 seconds... Right?
I'm speechless when it comes to some of Limekelly's auctions ( Hi Kelly). Some are wiling to pay KILLER PRICES - for what I consider a common, non-rare game. Like Blue Max (US GOLD, tape version). Not long ago another sold for over £110,- Now it happen again  £46!! But still it's £36,- too high. A few days ago I bought a similar version of US GOLD's BLUE MAX 2001, paying £5,- which IMHO is a more uncommon title (sequel). It was not sold as widely as the first did; which was high in the charts for a long time.
It has to be the same reason why tape games such as Commando and Ghost and Goblins ends high also. They sold tens of thousands units - each, BUT: the games are classics & good games - it has to be why. Right? People bid with their heart - not their head
BTW, Jerellis1, the game you wanted to monitor, WARLOCK-THE AVENGER (Druid III), ended today. I think the one you sold may have been a freak incident - as this had only 2 bidders and ended at listed price (£17). And it was a very good version too - looks like brand new - no crushing or box peeling off in places. I know the buyer was very pleased - he told me so  . |
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Master of C64


Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Age: 41 Posts: 1026 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Mayhem wrote: | | Sammy Lightfoot is arguably the rarest Sierra cartridge. That or Wizard of Id's Wiztype. But loose Dinamic carts have sold for more. |
Some nice cartridge finds going on with this seller, found Sierra's Jawbreaker + a heap of other rare ones. BTW; Jawbreaker's label differs from other Sierra carts. Label says 1982; it was their first games maybe? Or was that Lunar Leeper?
Mayhem; Forgot to ask about Jawbreaker, but it seems to be one of the rare Sierra carts too - right? I've never seen it listed before - so don't think it pops up that often. Some other rare ones: Dotgobler (does it exists with different labels?), Maze Man, Space Ric-o-shay (!), Cosmic Combat (Maxion).
The Cosmic Combat title sounds rare + it's not listed in GB64 or here. Maxion has only 1 title connected to them in GB64; Railroad Tycoon - that title sounds familiar to a PC game  |
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Joined: 28 Dec 2001 Age: 38 Posts: 4790 Location: London
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Jawbreaker is harder than find than some other Sierra carts, but not as rare as the two I mentioned before. Most of the Sierra carts do have those shiny labels, and yes, I do have Jawbreaker with that orange label, making me think it was possibly the first one it released.
Funny you mention those other titles. Dot Gobbler is arguably the easiest OEM title to find (and yes, it does have various labels), and Maze Man is the easiest Turbo Software title to find. All of Maxion's cartridge releases are relabels of Spinnaker games, which is perhaps why they are not given separate entries in GB64. The label may say another name, but none of the game code was changed. Took me a long time to get a complete set of those mind you... _________________ Mayhem64 - for all your cartridge needs!
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Master of C64


Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Age: 41 Posts: 1026 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Weekend's is ending and it's time to look if there was any HOT bidding...
Bubble Bobble (disk) ended at £62!
A really GREAT find, sold yesterday for the bargain price £45,- Yie Ar Kung Fu + Uridium (DISK). Just wish I was able to spot that one before it was sold to some other lucky C64 enthusiast. Damn it. The older Imagine titles has to be quite rare on disk these days. Don't think I've seen Yie Ar Kung Fu listed the last 12 months.
HES cartridge Pastfinder (boxed) £50,- Seems to be the going price for boxed HES carts - seen similar auctions in both EU and AUS - and this is roughly the price they end at.
On US eBay carts are almost always unboxed for some reason. Unless sold in an eBay store or the odd private seller - dunno why that is? |
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Master of C64


Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Age: 41 Posts: 1026 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Goonies (Disk, USGOLD) ends at £90!
It looked to be in great condition, seal still attached and almost complete (rare), plastic looks like new; no crushes or waves. So the price isn't outrageous - compared to similar games. |
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Groupie in Training

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| hbhzth wrote: | | On US eBay carts are almost always unboxed for some reason. Unless sold in an eBay store or the odd private seller - dunno why that is? |
A lot of US products (software, CDs, etc) were overpackaged in the 80's and 90's. The marketing strategy seemed to be that boxes needed to be bigger in order for consumers to notice the product on the shelves. And they were cheaply made. So we threw lots of it away just to save space at home. I always found packaging in the rest of the world to be much more sensible. |
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Master of C64


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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Little activity on this thread lately. Sorry, I've not been following ebay too closely lately - but I have seen some hot titles changing owners:
Hunters Moon (Disk) ended at £47,-. Kind of high for a jewel cased title?
Wizball (Disk) ended at £47,-. Same price, same casing.
The Last Ninja (Disk) ends at £42,-
These are very good games and among the C64's true classics. If anyone knows the prices TLN has fetched the last 3-4 times - please share. I think it's one of those titles where the price tends to vary a great deal. Depends on who's watching at the moment.
Renegade (Disk) ended at £63,55. That's quite high I think. Esp. for a jewel cased game and may I add: not a very good game either  Any comments?
This one we've seen before, nothing strange about this price I guess, being it's pretty rare: Double Dragon (Single Cart) ends at £90,-
And the final "hottie" today - not a game - but it took me by surprise how much the final price was: This C64 hardcover book ended at $114,-. It must be a rare book then? I had never seen it before - having no idea if it's rare or not. Hardcover version is always the one to own thou  The dust-jacket was nowhere to be seen. Collecting books as well - I know that put's the price down a few notches. So if you have any hardcover books - keep that dust jacket, don't throw it away. |
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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It isn't jewel cased, it's plastic wallet. Square shaped. Same as Quedex. I own all the Thalamus games on tape and disk, and these are the only two like this. The next disk games were in jewel cases.
| hbhzth wrote: | Renegade (Disk) ended at £63,55. That's quite high I think. Esp. for a jewel cased game and may I add: not a very good game either Any comments? |
I know two people who've been looking for this for ages, it was probably a fight... _________________
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Groupie in Training


Joined: 30 Mar 2012 Age: 40 Posts: 79 Location: Dover
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Wow! Zak McKracken sold for just short of £160 including p&p - that's a good £100 more than this title was fetching fairly regularly as recently as a year ago. I'm personally very pleased to see this, as my own example still has the original clear plastic wrapping around it!  And Maniac Mansion wasn't too far behind with a respectable £82 plus p&p.
Elsewhere, Pirates looks to have regained some of its popularity, achieving an impressive £62 plus p&p.
High Frontier sold for £50 plus p&p - this was a buy-it-now listing which someone obviously decided was worth the price. I'd really like to own this one and I didn't spot this auction until it had already ended, but personally I wouldn't have paid £50 for it (maybe something like £30 would have been the right price for me to go for it). But it sold anyway, so fair play to the seller!
The cassette version of Zombi has sold as a buy-it-now item for a fraction under £50 plus p&p - this game's value seems to have soared just over the past couple of months, as I'm sure another example sold for much less than this fairly recently.
The disk version of a great compilation, The Magnificent Seven, went for £44 plus p&p, and another compilation, the System 3 Pack, sold for £41 plus p&p.
The cassette version of Cells & Serpents sold outright for £29.99, and, typically, an admittedly excellent example of the cassette version of Elite sold for £39.99 plus p&p on practically the same day as the example I was selling sold for a paltry £3.45... crazy old eBay!
Incidentally, I try not to deliberately draw attention to my own current listings in this thread as I don't think that would be right, but I just wanted to mention one game that I listed earlier this evening as I'd be interested to know more about it (hopefully someone here can enlighten me!) It's a cassette by Durell Software from 1985, and it's an action adventure game called Shades; the reason I'm so curious about it is that it doesn't appear in the Lemon 64 database, so I guess it must be pretty rare... anyway, if you know anything about this game then please let me know! |
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Groupie


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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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I see above there was a copy of The Last Ninja on disk that went for £40+, but here's one on eBay which starting off at £70 as a buy it now!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare...0707478999 |
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Groupie in Training


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| PhilEdBoyce wrote: | | I see above there was a copy of The Last Ninja on disk that went for £40+, but here's one on eBay which starting off at £70 as a buy it now! |
To be fair, I don't think the seller's being unreasonable asking for £70 - I've seen TLN go for around that price (and higher) several times before. The one that sold for £40 was surprisingly cheap, and it might be that the seller of this example is just protecting himself / herself from the risk of the game selling for an uncharacteristically low price again.
Makes me wish I hadn't started my auction for Elite at £2.99!  |
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| jerellis1 wrote: | Makes me wish I hadn't started my auction for Elite at £2.99!  |
I got my copy of Elite for only a few quid a couple of years ago, after giving up on a few bids where it become too expensive. Luck of the draw sometimes. |
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Master of C64

Joined: 20 Jul 2009 Posts: 1333 Location: FRANCE
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| jerellis1 wrote: | | To be fair, I don't think the seller's being unreasonable asking for £70 |
Can only approuve what you are saying as it's mine I'm selling there
70£ is the price I get it for 2 years ago on the evil bay. Just want to protect as you said this game from really low bid. I also added offer funtion on the auction this will let people sending me offers and I will consider them and decide to sell it for a reasonable price.
Ebay is crazy. You can see a game going for 100£ and the same going for 15£ few weeks later ...
BTW, I have a perfect sealed bruce lee on disk. Was just guessing how much this can go for. Seems to be a game that always fetch good price on the evil bay. Don't decided to part with it but was just thinking about a quote if I put it on ebay. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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I appreciate setting a fixed price rather than fake bidding on items.
So its totally fair and up to the seller to do it like that.
Some put ALL their games online for twice the price they're worth, because for THAT price, they WOULD part with it ;-)
You dont have to buy if you dont want to :) _________________ |
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Master of C64


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Sam64H wrote: | | Ebay is crazy. You can see a game going for 100£ and the same going for 15£ few weeks later ... |
From what I've seen on ebay - having a high starting price often makes people reluctant to start bidding. Having it starting with a low price get's the bidding fest started. Just by seeing there are many bids on an item - makes it more desirable for others to begin bidding on it. It's just how human nature is - nobody likes to be the first bidder - it seems so anyway...
There is a chance that if people don't notice your item that it get's sold for a low price (I hear you Jerellis1 ). A famous title like Bruce Lee and TLN would most def. get people interested, so that should not be a problem. People WILL bid. Trust me!
Speaking of TLN (disk) I have seen it announced on a webstore recently for £40,- too. So perhaps that is one game that is declining price wise. Also Remix has been selling for less recently than 1 year ago.
Elite, as said above, is often sold for just a couple of pounds. I think Attic Bug did a good job promoting the item - good pictures - plus it was of very good quality. "Best we've ever seen" That's promoting which speaks to people that really wants this title And this is a game that a some people have strong feelings for - but it's not a constant demand for it - like i.e. Bruce Lee or Goonies on disk. They are constantly in demand.
AtticB is (shamelessly) asking high prices on many of his titles. Anything remotely rare - it's in the mid £20s (tape) and disk titles are £50+ He can afford to have patience, with such a large stock of games on multiple formats. I would liked to buy some of his games, but many prices is simply too high. If I win some cash by chance - maybe?
It's like Retrogames - asking £40-50 for rareish tape games. And when asking £80 for Lords of Chaos (disk), which I've seen sold on eBay (twice recently) for about £15,- I'd rather wait! It's nice for someone that REALLY wants the game - but for the average collector and game enthusiast - it's better to be patient - it will pop up on ebay, forums or other web stores for less.
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Groupie in Training


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've recently came back to the c64 and decided to build up collections based on publishers rather than willy nilly games here and their.
Ocean, Imagine, Thalamus and Elite are first on my list.
Biding my time I've managed to pick up quite a few titles in the last few months. I've noticed some of the bigger stores, Attic Bug etc who do have quite a lot of titles I'd like to add to my collections, but i have to agree that their prices are often quite a lot higher than the one offs that appear from time to time on ebay.
I've decided to be patient and resisted the urge to buy their titles so far! _________________ 1 x C64C, 1x C64G, 1 x 1541U-II, 1 x Oceanic OC-118N, 1 x 1581, 1 x AR VI |
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Master of C64


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| jerellis1 wrote: | | Incidentally, I try not to deliberately draw attention to my own current listings in this thread as I don't think that would be right, but I just wanted to mention one game that I listed earlier this evening as I'd be interested to know more about it (hopefully someone here can enlighten me!) It's a cassette by Durell Software from 1985, and it's an action adventure game called Shades; the reason I'm so curious about it is that it doesn't appear in the Lemon 64 database, so I guess it must be pretty rare... anyway, if you know anything about this game then please let me know! |
First - thanks for that awesome post - recapping the titles you've found recently. I missed out on most of these auctions...
Onto the title you mentioned - Shades.
It's not very rare IMO - seen it sell 3-4 times these last 4 months. I managed to get it a while back. It was unknown to me for a long time, until it popped up on an auction (I think it was Limekellys) 8-9 months ago. It was some bidders fighting for it then, it sold for £20-something. But since then I've seen it sell for less. From £5-15. It's one of these titles that CAN sell high. I guess it depends on who's watching and want/need it?
As for the game - I know little about it. I never played it back in the 80s, neither have I seen any raving reviews of it. Perhaps it went under my radar somehow. That happens. I'm often surprised, as I find "new" titles that I never heard of before - all the time.
Anyone else experiencing this - learning about games you've never heard of before? Let us know...
It's too bad that Lemon game-database is not updated. Wish someone was in charge of updates - as I have a lot of titles that should been added. Tried posting to the new additions thread - but nothing happens! I'm more than happy to share new images and info - if someone adds them into the DB. |
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Master of C64


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| plonkor wrote: | | I've decided to be patient and resisted the urge to buy their titles so far! |
That's a wise decision my collector friend Good luck with getting the titles you are searching for...
And adding the ones you get to Lemon is always nice. I wish more was registering their titles here. It's very easy to do - once you get started. |
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Groupie in Training


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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| hbhzth wrote: | Onto the title you mentioned - Shades.
It's not very rare IMO - seen it sell 3-4 times these last 4 months. I managed to get it a while back. |
Thanks for the info buddy - if it's not so rare after all then I think I will probably lower the starting price, as I only set it at £14.99 because I didn't want to risk letting an extremely rare title go for a very low price just because very few people actually knew about it (including me!) I'll give it a few more days anyway, just to see what happens though.  |
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