MCC216 - C64 is Back !

humppa · Newbie Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 38

When switching between PAL and NTSC on the latest C64 core, I have noticed that the top colour bar and the text at the bottom gets garbled and the colors are not the original ones.
This is not a major issue, but I was just asking myself if others can reproduce it.

humppa · Newbie Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 38

How do I access the settings menu where I can change 1541 settings and select keymaps?
I have looked in the release notes and the manual but couldn't find anything.

It would really help to have all recent info centralized somehwere instead of having to look through all the threads, blog comments and release notes.

Juan · Groupie in Training Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 105

humppa wrote:

It would really help to have all recent info centralized somehwere instead of having to look through all the threads, blog comments and release notes.

Hi humppa, I agree with your suggestion. It would be more easy that Arcade Retro Gaming deploy a normal forum like this one, where we can post all our suggestions and comments and where it can be more easy to look for information, that is actually spread on this forums.

Well, I just ordered my cool MCC-216 some days ago, I hope I can receive it soon to start testing it and have some fun with it. Very Happy

humppa · Newbie Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 38

Juan wrote:

Hi humppa, I agree with your suggestion. It would be more easy that Arcade Retro Gaming deploy a normal forum like this one, where we can post all our suggestions and comments and where it can be more easy to look for information, that is actually spread on this forums.

Absolutely. They have a blog:

http://www.blog.arcaderetrogaming.com/

...but it would be much easier to have a simple regular forum such as

http://www.minimig.net/

to have everything in one place. At the moment, all the information is spread in separate threads in separate forums (Atariage, lemon64, LemonAmiga, etc.) and it is difficult to find out what is the most recent info.

I still haven't found any info of how to access the C64 preferences menu. The release note for V2.1 (http://mcc-home.com/resources/MCC64_v21_release.txt) says there is a new menu, but there is no info of how to access it. Or has it been removed in V2.2 (which, by the way is listed as V2.2 on the website, but V2.02 in the release note...)?
There was also a change in the way how to swap disks, but in a thread with 21 pages, such info easily gets lost.

Juan wrote:

Well, I just ordered my cool MCC-216 some days ago, I hope I can receive it soon to start testing it and have some fun with it. Very Happy

Did you order the VGA or S-Video version? Which type of monitor/TV are you using?

Juan · Groupie in Training Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 105

Yap! two votes for a a simple regular forum for the MCC-216.

I will use my ViewSonic VA1932wm LCD monitor, the specifications says that the vertical frecuency is:

Frequency Fh: 24~82kHz, Fv: 50~75Hz

So aparently this is the requirement to use PAL mode.

(ordered the VGA version)

humppa · Newbie Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 38

@Juan

Yes, that should work. There is also a Wiki for Minimig display compatibility which might be interesting for people considering to buy the MCC-216 VGA-version:

http://www.opencircuits.com/Mi...patibility

RetroRusty · Newbie Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Age: 40 Posts: 14 Location: UK

I have installed an MCC unofficial forum on my site so we all now have one place where we can talk about all things MCC.

The forum is at http://www.retrorebooted.com/mcc/forum/

I have already posted about this forum on the Lemon Amiga site and I will also send an email to Arcade Retro Gaming so they know.

Thanks

humppa · Newbie Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 38

@EnigmaMystery

Thanks! Maybe you could also post it on Atari Age:

http://www.atariage.com/forums...e__st__125

Juan · Groupie in Training Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 105

Thanks EnigmaMystery! done! now I registered on your forum.

And thanks humppa for the links you post some time ago. Did you solve this?

" still haven't found any info of how to access the C64 preferences menu. The release note for V2.1 (http://mcc-home.com/resources/MCC64_v21_release.txt) says there is a new menu, but there is no info of how to access it. Or has it been removed in V2.2 (which, by the way is listed as V2.2 on the website, but V2.02 in the release note...)?
There was also a change in the way how to swap disks, but in a thread with 21 pages, such info easily gets lost."

groepaz · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:57 am Post subject:

groepaz wrote:

apropos, where can i download the source used to compile the minimig core for the mcc216?

*bump*
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vanfanel · Newbie Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Posts: 39

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apropos, where can i download the source used to compile the minimig core for the mcc216?

Hahaha!! Good one! Welcome to the world of closed source, where you find bugs and you just can't try to fix them Very Happy

Look at the Minimig, it's constantly updated with small fixes here and there, because it's opensource, so it's far more advanced. And it makes money, too Smile

groepaz · Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject:

the amiga core for the mcc *is* minimig. hence my question. its gpl, i downloaded the binary, and thus whoever published the binary is obliged to make the source available.
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vanfanel · Newbie Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Posts: 39

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the amiga core for the mcc *is* minimig. hence my question. its gpl, i downloaded the binary, and thus whoever published the binary is obliged to make the source available.

I think the same, but I smell something very fishy about this product after so much time, so I can't be sure. It has Minimig parts for sure, but I believe it has it's own sources mixed, too.
Anyway, they should make the sources available if no progress is really made on this.

groepaz · Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject:

google "mcc 216 minimig" and you will find forum posts of the guy who appearently made the "amiga core" for the mcc - openly admitting it is minimig. (and wether they mix in their own stuff is irrelevant - infact if they did that, that stuff would automagically become GPLd aswell =P)
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vanfanel · Newbie Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Posts: 39

Hmm. So if it's Minimig core modified to (partially) work in this MCC thing, then something went VERY wrong in the process of porting it Very Happy

Well, the fact they don't release sources for their cores even if they use parts of open-source ones is even more fishy.
Using GPL code to make profit and then don't releasing it is just WRONG (in fact, it's ILLEGAL).

mistermsk · Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:00 am Post subject:

Has anyone heard from the manufacture lately?
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RetroRusty · Newbie Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Age: 40 Posts: 14 Location: UK

Quote:

I have installed an MCC unofficial forum on my site so we all now have one place where we can talk about all things MCC.

The forum is at http://www.retrorebooted.com/mcc/forum/

I have already posted about this forum on the Lemon Amiga site and I will also send an email to Arcade Retro Gaming so they know.

There are currently only 5 members including myself on my forum specifically for the MCC. Was this a bad idea as everyone seems to still be talking about it on here? I really don't mind but I thought it would be good to have a central place where everyone can talk about it.

Thanks

humppa · Newbie Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 38

EnigmaMystery wrote:

Quote:

I have installed an MCC unofficial forum on my site so we all now have one place where we can talk about all things MCC.

The forum is at http://www.retrorebooted.com/mcc/forum/

I have already posted about this forum on the Lemon Amiga site and I will also send an email to Arcade Retro Gaming so they know.

There are currently only 5 members including myself on my forum specifically for the MCC. Was this a bad idea as everyone seems to still be talking about it on here? I really don't mind but I thought it would be good to have a central place where everyone can talk about it.

Thanks

No, it wasn't a bad idea at all. It just takes some time until such forums get going and show up more prominent on google.

RetroFan · Groupie Joined: 03 Jun 2010 Posts: 150 Location: USA

humppa wrote:

How do I access the settings menu where I can change 1541 settings and select keymaps?
I have looked in the release notes and the manual but couldn't find anything.

It would really help to have all recent info centralized somehwere instead of having to look through all the threads, blog comments and release notes.

You select the AMIGA core.

In the selection menu you can switch between the menus if you go left and right with the Joystick or you can use the arrow keys on the keyboard.

You toggle to the following menus for the AMIGA: Game menu, Demo menu, User menu, Settings menu.

HAPPY RETRO GAMING!

RetroFan · Groupie Joined: 03 Jun 2010 Posts: 150 Location: USA

groepaz wrote:

the amiga core for the mcc *is* minimig. hence my question. its gpl, i downloaded the binary, and thus whoever published the binary is obliged to make the source available.

For the AMIGA implementation we are in close discussion with the MiniMig team and we feed back all improvements we do to their source.
In addition we integrate the CPU together with the chip set of the AMIGA for the MCC-216. This integration is ongoing and we are working on closing out some issues. The new release should fix most of the issue which the initial beta version still shows.

Stay tuned for the next release of the A-500 core for the MCC-216.

humppa · Newbie Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 38

RetroFan wrote:

You toggle to the following menus for the AMIGA: Game menu, Demo menu, User menu, Settings menu.

There is a settings menu when using the C64 core, but there is none on the Amiga core. I think you were confusing the C64 with the Amiga core here.

Btw, thanks for releasing the Apple 2 core! It will become interesting when disk emulation is implemented.

Unseen · Über Groupie Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 359

RetroFan wrote:

For the AMIGA implementation we are in close discussion with the MiniMig team and we feed back all improvements we do to their source.

That's not what he asked. He asked for the full sources of the Minimig core you're shipping, as REQUIRED by the GPL. "We're feeding back bits and pieces to the original developers, you'll see them sometime in the future" does not magically put you into compliance with the licence you're bound by.

groepaz · Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject:

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For the AMIGA implementation we are in close discussion with the MiniMig team and we feed back all improvements we do to their source.

you are obliged (this means: YOU MUST DO IT NO MATTER WHAT) to supply the full sourcecode required to build the exakt binary you are offering for download.

and if you dont, you are in violation of the GPL.

its that simple.
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RetroFan · Groupie Joined: 03 Jun 2010 Posts: 150 Location: USA

humppa wrote:

There is a settings menu when using the C64 core, but there is none on the Amiga core. I think you were confusing the C64 with the Amiga core here.

There will be a settings menu like in the C64 for the official release of the AMIGA 500 core for the MCC-216.

humppa wrote:

Btw, thanks for releasing the Apple 2 core! It will become interesting when disk emulation is implemented.

Yes the disk emulation is for sure the next topic on the feature list for the Apple2 core.

Happy Retro Gaming ! Smile

RetroFan · Groupie Joined: 03 Jun 2010 Posts: 150 Location: USA

groepaz wrote:

you are obliged (this means: YOU MUST DO IT NO MATTER WHAT) to supply the full sourcecode required to build the exakt binary you are offering for download.

and if you dont, you are in violation of the GPL.

its that simple.

Sure no objections from our side.

As mentioned we are in close contact with the MiniMig Development team and feed back all improvements. It's public since long time that we use the MiniMig code and the CPU core from Tobias. Please read as well the following link:

http://www.arcaderetrogaming.c...hop_param=

If anyone has some interest to port his core to the MCC-216 please contact us under: contact@arcaderetrogaming.com.
We are more than happy to support the community with additional information regarding the MCC-216.