Torrents are the preferred choice for me.

Both sites are worthy of praise and i appreciate your passion for retro mags.
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I have my own website and do not see a need to release my scans on retromags or any other site. If you want to make another website or retromags is your cup of tea, then by all means go for it and submit your work there.

When it comes to the Amiga World scans, I personally scanned all 103 issues, 3 special issues and books. VHS videos have also been archived to go along with the collection. When I get a chance as stated numerous times I will post them online. As most people know by posts on my website, I am in the UK working on three communications projects jumping back and forth across England. I am the Site Manager and Senior Network Engineer for all three projects. Most days I do not know if I am coming or going. Internet connectivity is not great at the hotels and my time is extremely limited. I have sent the scans on dvd to numerous key people in the amiga scene, incuding people who originally worked on/published the magazine.

I appreciate the Amiga Format scans you submitted and I will make them available. I own over a hundred issues myself and someday will spend a few days and scan them all.

To everyone who has contributed to my website in someway it is appreciated and the website could not exist in its current form without your support. The future is bright and my intentions are to keep pressing forward.

Did anyone really think in just a short time we would be where we are?

Unfortunately I can not please everyone, nor do I try.

Shazam

David Haynes
DLH@bombjack.org
www.bombjack.org/commodore

Hi David,

I think you misunderstand the intent that my comment was made. Or I probably worded it not quite how I meant it to come across? Which is the more likely scenario ...

I first saw your mags on the torrents here via Piratebay. Then again at Underground Gamer. Then at yet another torrent site. That's how I came to acquire them. It was the at times poor seeding speeds that made me think hosting them on retromags with individual download links would make them easier for people to acquire, especially where only one or a few issues might be needed by someone.

Then I found your site and noted that you don't host most of the mags there yourself. This I can understand ... we had issues with hosting large volumes of mags/usage as well hence resorting to hosting sites. So I asked if you were amenable to the idea of hosting them at retromags to get a wider audience for them to which you said NO! Given the fact the files are hosted at other sites and you state in your DVD offer to copy them freely to anyone etc I find your rationale for not letting retromags host them somewhat hard to fathom ... a bit like all the cats are playing with the toys but lets stop this one only. We could have just hosted them like the other sites and you would've probably been none the wiser. But I believe in being upfront and asking the contributors rather than just stealing their work. And I honestly thought it would be win/win as we would've linked back to your website and acknowledged your contributions.

Nevermind .... I've moved on, covering other PC's that have little scanned for them, those being the Archimedes and BBC micro range. And the Atari's which are my passion anyway. However, it is a shame when given the small community of people dedicated to preserving these treasures for future generations to enjoy, that these attitudes still exist towards one and another, when you would think that it would benefit everyone to work together to help further the cause.

Not everyone has usenet access...certainly isn't free here in the UK.

Maybe when the draconian laws for copyright protection are introduced usenet will get cheaper but for now it more or less doubles the cost compared to just an ISP and torrents/websites. That's my only comment on that discussion.

Of course we appreciate any scans for any machine.....having just finished off one set of non-Commodore related mags it IS hard work if you don't want to destroy the magazines. I will say though that thanks to the disaster that is the rule changes on ebay most magazines don't come up any more sadly....people can't be bothered once saddled with compulsory free postage and stupid fees on both sides of the ebay/paypal cartel that on micro-transactions work out at nearly 40%.

Outside of Amstrad/Commodore most machines are not well represented by online scans true.

PS this all kicked off when I asked if there will be linkable downloads to the AF mag covers shown on bombjack.org (and no there is no mention of them on the DVDs before anyone comments). Kiwi was kind enough to explain and offer an alternative route to obtain some of them, which is appreciated.

Also is it me or are regular HP/Epsom/Lexmark scanners sold today just flimsy pieces of shit? One scanner lasted 21 pages before going mental and colour blind!

Whether someone has access to Usenet isn't really the point at the end of the day. It's just another delivery medium after all. If you want something you can usually obtain it via one means or another. Fair statement on your part! I actually do have usenet but it is quite limited in retention times etc and I personally prefer other methods.

He asked where he could get copies of the Amiga Format magazines seen on David's site. I referred him to retromags to obtain the ones I had submitted to David. I subsequently explained why I hadn't posted any more issues recently nor would be for some time. Perhaps I should've taken the high ground and said nothing at all. But I didn't. Maybe he feels like he started this? Maybe.

Have I made negative comments about David? No
Have I made negative comments about what he is doing with this site? No
Have I made negative comments about his being okay with allowing one form of distribution of the files but not another? Yes. Absolutely. For the reasons stated earlier. It's not like I hadn't contributed towards the cause after all. There are plenty of people out there who have taken his submissions via torrent who have never ever given back to the cause.

I have a HUGE amount of respect for ANYONE who contributes in any way, shape or form to ensuring the old magazines/documentation are not lost forever, be that by contributing mags or scanning them etc. That includes people prepared to spend money/bandwidth hosting them so others can also enjoy them. Have I said remove my contributions? Hell No. I don't work like that. But when the street appears one way it does tend to make one re-evaluate whether to drive down it. David has caused that .. not you Kong Daddy. Don't beat yourself up over it.

I was only commenting about the casual "they're on usenet anyway..." issue, which to some people in some parts of the world means sweet FA.

gklinger wrote:

Kong Daddy wrote: Not everyone has usenet access...certainly isn't free here in the UK. Eh? We're talking about the Internet here -- what difference does it matter where you live? Type "free usenet servers" into Google and away you go. Granted, it's a wee bit harder to find a free server that carries binaries and has decent retention but if you're on a first name basis with Mr. Clue, harder ain't all that hard. Worse case scenario, you pay a few bucks for an account with one of the commercial providers and download until your line driver melts.

I have yet to find a free usenet service that works in a fully functioning way, and also some ISPs in the UK filter/restrict usenet access(probably restricting you to what you can read rather than downloading ad infinitum...which is bad for their business)

Secondly, our piece of shit ISPs in the UK have decided it's OK to put in very cuntish sectioned, almost hourly measured, download restrictions.

And finally, giving money to iffy unheard of companies via my credit card details is something I don't do, so unless they allow a simple one-off paypal payment (unlike usenext which had a very iffy auto-renewing payment syste), and most of them charge more than your average ISP for the downloads and what I download in a day via torrents could cost me a months worth of ISP connection charges with some of these usenet services.

Personally I have not had good experience with usenet, either paid for services or looking for free fully functioning usenet clients. They either don't work for me (who knows if it is a UK ISP thing or they're just crap) or in one case after downloading 9gb worth of RARs one was corrupt and the whole lot were useless....which means it cost me on a metered service via usenet to find out some clueless nobjockey didn't check his files. On a regular torrent you think 'oh well' on a paid for and metered usenet service costing twenty odd quid you think 'F#$@ YOU!!"

If usenet is the saviour for the current TPB addicts when torrent become untenable due to changes in law trouncing your civil rights/privacy then in the UK it has a LOT of growing up to do by all parties concerned.

(outside the UK usenet may well be brilliant and unhindered, but from here free usenet is just a crock of shit...hence someone kindly uploaded C= Horizons onto something a bit less shit like an upload site on the internet TFFT)

Hence my asking if it was okay to post this stuff up onto Retromags where you could download whatever issue you wanted individually via Megaupload or Rapidshare links etc. David scotched that idea unfortunately so Usenet or torrents are the only options open to you at this point in time.

Jeez I thought you dropped it about 4 posts ago, I guess not... I don't usually post about these sorts of things but you take all the fun out of it...

There are thousands of hours spent scanning magazines endlessly, expecting nothing in return. THANK YOU!

There are folks on this thread using their own hard earned cash to make permanent torrents available to everyone for free.... THANK YOU!

There are many of us that have spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars for complete magazine collections so that you can enjoy them, for free. THANK YOU!

If you don't like torrents or usenet, you can EVEN get a DVD of whatever you want for $1. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

Why does David's time, money, and hard work scanning, and certain members of the C64 community's dollars and time spent have to equal your own personal gain on your own personal website, and you think everyone should agree to it? That is pretty egocentric in my opinon.

This argument isn't any different then all the requests we get year after year at the Gamebase 64 team (for the last 10 years) for folks that want to use our database and make their own website, and want our approval.

No hard feelings and thanks again.

I'm sorry but FREE usenet access IS a load of cock. The retention period of binaries on them is about 1 minute and that's if you can even find one that is more than a useless broken search engine. Not one single free usenet search picked up Amiga World....either 100 million results from the word Amiga or nothing....and you are talking to the person who locates the unlocatable on the internet on a regular basis so it aint my searching skills with + and - characters in the right place. So anyone else mentioning usenet to me instead of websites/torrents FOR NORMAL PEOPLE can just move along

This is not to offend the people who scan/upload things anywhere, but is a message to anyone who dares to claim getting anything off that piece of shit usenet for FREE is a walk in the park...maybe at 2am in Central Park past a bunch of rowdy low lifes with knives and guns lol

Another thing I don't like is all the petty infighting. 'I scanned ????? so f$%$k off' type attitude. Yes YOU scanned it, and yes it IS appreciated, but at the end of the day if everyone just pulled together as one we might get somewhere. There are FOUR DIFFERENT sites attempting to scan Amiga Format....and hardly anyone will combine with another...in fact they make it very difficult....and so what happens? The community as a whole loses out over stupid ego issues.

Remember who you are doing it for, and don't give me any ego centric bullshit about 'I scanned them!!' because at the end of the day ALL these scans are illegal (yes even at $1 a DVD Future Publishing would rape your arses repeatedly) and changes to law this year regarding scanned/photographed images mean if you are using an already copyrighted item as the subject matter well then unless you own that copyright you have no ownership or claim to anything you produce from those items.

If this offends anyone sorry, but it needs to be said. IF you are that bothered about people torrenting/selling/ripping-off your work then watermark it.

Like I said no disrespect, but keep things in perspective and just all try to get along yes?

This is the.

**Commodore Magazines posted as torrents! UPDATE March 8th**

Topic and not the!

**How To Make Yourself Sound Like A Real Tool! UPDATE April 4th**

Topic!.
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Morons and whinging poms make Baby Jesus cry.
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If your having trouble getting a torrent let me know. I would prefer to add bandwidth to the torrents lemoners are having trouble getting.

Have started uploading torrents off site to a dedicated torrent server in order to add some serious bandwidth on request and distribute new torrents quicker.

Shane
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10k is not what i had in mind. A notiable difference should be noticed.

GB-v7 was a clear demonstration on what can be done, when all who wanted GB-v7 had got behind distributing it. It's got to be a group effort or die.

No one is expected too seed them all, but two or three will be greatly appreciated and 5kb with enough seeder means everyone gets em.

It's best to check the seeders count and seed the torrent with the least seeders.

enjoy
Shane
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i was needing a manual for troubleshooting a gas heater and found that someone posted some commodore magazines in pdf at sctibd

a place that will probably be sued and on the news soon

http://www.scribd.com/doc/1456...9-1988-Sep

Thanks for helping uploading { you know who you are! }

EDIT: 12/04/10
All torrents are active with 964kbs as of one minute ago. GB-v7 is using 385kbs of the 964kbs.

EDIT: 14/04/10
Demand just went over 2.7mbs and around 500GB has been distributed.

enjoy.
Shane
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new torrents today. Stay tuned for much more very soon!

Great news. will seed.

Download 262 KB/s Total 71.1GB | Upload: 2.6 MB/s Total: 1.7 TB - rTorrent
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update

Wow!!!

A lot of hard work went into this! Thanks, will seed!!!

Seeding these new torrents - 18 torrents active. Thanks again to all seeding & Matt Larsen
rTorrent v2.8 - Download: 0.0 kB/s Total 80.3GB | Upload : 1.4MB/s Total: 2.1TB - Iceweasel
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update today