I've never been quite happy with the palette in the different C64 emulators. I tried the "pepto" palettes which is supposed to be right, but it looks nothing like my real setup. Adjusting the saturation and other items makes it no closer to my "real" 1702 and C64.

I know that the palettes differ between C64's and 1702's and depend on people's tastes, but below is one that matches my setup exactly. My 1702 is set to the detent on all knobs and I am using an Acer 22" LCD set to defaults (which makes a difference also for matching purposes).

Cut/paste it into a file called 1702.vpl and load as an external palette into VICE (or CCS) and you can see if it matches your setup.

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# Pete Rittwage's NTSC C64 and 1702 palette V2
# Taken from 6567R8 on a 1984 board (250425)
00 00 00 0
FF FF FF E
90 30 40 4
93 ff ff C
70 2b ff 8
40 b7 10 4
20 00 bf 4
e0 e0 60 C
b0 50 30 4
80 30 00 4
ff 7b 9e 8
40 40 40 4
90 90 90 8
90 ff 90 8
30 60 ff 8
c0 c0 c0 C
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Wow, looks really good in VICE! Thanks

I've got two CRT TVs (Sony and Panasonic) and two 1084 monitors (1084S and 1084SD) and the colours will look slightly different on all four here in both saturation and tint at default settings so I wouldn't worry about 100% accuracy just as long as they 'look right' which I agree they don't on a lot of emulator used with laptops or LCD monitors.

Now if someone makes an LCD that makes games look as awesome as the old 1980s Trinitron CRTs that would be great

Definitely there is another effect at work that can't be replicated.

There is an extra "something" that affects contrast that isn't replicated on the LCD. When run on TV-OUT from my video card, it is close (other than being scan-doubled).
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most importantly there is ntsc encoding/decoding going on ... using a simple palette and then no pal emulation (which in this case is no different from ntsc) will never look right.
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Thanks for posting this -- it looked really close for me.

My first job was servicing television sets, when I was in high school... back then the rule of thumb was always to get the flesh tones to look natural and correct, and then everything else would more or less fall into place from there. Given that the 1702 can still be used that way, it still at least gives some frame of reference.

On my 1702s I set the color/brightness/contrast/tint knobs to the detents and then finished the job from the internal adjustments in back.

Thanks Pete!

I just tryed this. has never looked better on the PC. Thanks! I can now use it for my PAL demos that don't work well in the 1541-U.
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Subtle but effective new version fixing orange, brown, and green to be even closer.

# Pete Rittwage's NTSC C64 and 1702 palette V2
# Taken from 6567R8 on a 1984 board (250425)
00 00 00 0
FF FF FF E
90 30 40 4
93 ff ff C
70 2b ff 8
40 b7 10 4
20 00 bf 4
e0 e0 60 C
b0 50 30 4
80 30 00 4
ff 7b 9e 8
40 40 40 4
90 90 90 8
90 ff 90 8
30 60 ff 8
c0 c0 c0 C

VICE default palette:



My 1702 palette:



The blues, purple, pink, orange, and brown are way off in most palettes.
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Me likey! Thanks for the contribution, r.cade.
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I updated the above post with a new version, so grab it now for an improvement in the orange, brown, and green.
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How much different than this does a PAL 1702 look with a PAL 6569? Can anyone snap a picture or something usable?
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Tried that before I recreated the palette. Saturation doesn't fix the wrong hues for me.

Keep in mind that this was done to match my 64/1702, not dispute which are the "correct" colors.
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The problem is: There is no "right palette". Have you checked the color temperature settings of your monitor? The gamma correction? The RGB weightings? There are tons of variables on PC which make the same RGB values look very different on different systems.

if you use a fixed palette (and that means you turn of PAL emulation). you don't bother about the colors beeing correct at all. *sigh*

somehow this is history repeating - back to 1996 and its shitty handtuned emulator colors.
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So the default palette of a PAL C64 is what VICE looks like by default?
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