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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: C64 Color Terminal Emulator Reply with quote

CGTERM by Per Olofsson is an excellent Commodore Graphic terminal emulator which runs in Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. You can download it at http://www.paradroid.net/cgterm/ ... Unfortunately, it's a Telnet-only program, so it can't be used for dial-up connections.

However, Greg Pfountz, the author of the software that I'm running on my dial-up board, also wrote a terminal program for MS-DOS in 1991 called the C64 Color Terminal Emulator. Unfortunately, not all modems are supported with this program. External modems work best; most "WinModems" will not work. You can download this program at http://cottonwood.servebbs.com/C64TRM5B.EXE ... Some have had success running this from a DOS window from within Windows. The best thing is to just try it out and see if you can get it to work. Be sure you know what COM port your modem is running on, and set the config for the terminal to use the same port.

I thought this information might be useful to people wanting to call Borderline BBS who don't have Commodore hardware to call with. It's also possible to call using the Commodore terminal program of your choice from within VICE. Of course, if all else fails, just call using any ASCII-capable terminal program.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He still accepting registrations? Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gklinger wrote:
He still accepting registrations? Smile


Good question... I'd be interested to know how many people he actually had register this. Maybe it's time to get in touch with another BBS author... Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So... DOSBox to the rescue?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember using this term in the early 90's when BBS'ing was still popular. All the BBSes in my area were ANSI but there was one that was run on a C128. I can't remember the name but it wasn't local to me and since I didn't have my 128 anymore I called very infrequently using a DOS com prog (Telemate) in ASCII mode. I had a 486 PC running DOS at the time.

I stumbled upon C64TRM5B and decided to call and see how it looked. The results were very disappointing. What this program basically does is translate (poorly) PETSCII > ANSI. It duplicates most colors and attributes (blinking, reverse) but you will not see any PETSCII graphics - only a very, very rough approximation of their ANSI equivalents. Most of what I saw for commodore graphics came up as gibberish rendering some of the messages in the bases unreadable.

The only way I knew how badly this displayed commodore graphics was by visiting a buddy of mine who still had his 64C. He called with MultiTerm and when I saw what the graphics were supposed to look like I dumped C64TERM and reverted to calling that BBS in ASCII mode. The BBS eventually went offline so the need for C64TERM died with it.

I just tried running C64TERM in XP after reading this thread. I have a Pentium 4 with XP PRO Service Pack 2 and two modems:

1) Supra V.34 external connected to COM1 via RS232 serial cable

2) Internal V.92 win modem which has created it's own virtual com port (COM3).

C64TERM will not communicate with either one when I launch it from a DOS window. The CPU usage rockets when I attempt to send any AT commands to either modem and the send/receive lights on the external modem show no activity. Yes, I tried the /noems, /nomouse, /nofifo, and /bios options. No dice.

I tested two other DOS comm programs - Procomm Plus 2 for DOS and Telemate 4.12, two very popular comm programs released about the same time as C64TERM. Both work flawlessly with either modem in a DOS window. No special settings or tweaks required.
Ariqu wrote:
So... DOSBox to the rescue?
Not this time. I tried DOSBox 7.2, same results.

gklinger wrote:
He still accepting registrations? Smile
I hope not. Even though it's only $20 it's not worth it.

For the ultimate commodore dialup BBS experience the obvious choice is to connect with a real C64.

For those of you who would rather emulate (like me) Vice will work very nicely with your favorite C64 term prog and a modem using an ip>serial redirector such as NetSerial. (I have tested this setup and it works - the downside - NetSerial's price: USD $90)

Eltima makes a similar product but it too is more expensive than buying a used C64 setup (USD $99.95)

One of my pet projects is to get Vice, TCPSER and a modem working together for a free solution to dialing out to C64 BBSes but it is very, very low priority since the number of dialup BBSes can be counted on one hand.

I wouldn't waste my time with C64Term however.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isepic wrote:
IOne of my pet projects is to get Vice, TCPSER and a modem working together for a free solution to dialing out to C64 BBSes but it is very, very low priority since the number of dialup BBSes can be counted on one hand.


Uh... Actually, you can count the number of Commodore-run dial-up BBS's on one finger. Wink

As for your problem with seeing the PETSCII graphics using C64term... I've run this program both in MS-DOS 6.22 as well as a DOS window from within Windows XP. Running it in Windows XP, the graphics were not translated correctly, as you described. Running it in MS-DOS 6.22, however, the graphics were translated quite accurately. So my question to you is... Have you ever tried running this program in pure DOS?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, in this thread on the PETSCII forums, Jeff Ledger describes the settings that he used to successfully connect to my BBS using a terminal program in WinVICE with a real modem. Obviously, calling with a real Commodore computer is the best option. I'd say that Jeff's method is the second best, and using C64term from an MS-DOS machine is third best. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiskow wrote:
As for your problem with seeing the PETSCII graphics using C64term... I've run this program both in MS-DOS 6.22 as well as a DOS window from within Windows XP. Running it in Windows XP, the graphics were not translated correctly, as you described. Running it in MS-DOS 6.22, however, the graphics were translated quite accurately. So my question to you is... Have you ever tried running this program in pure DOS?
I sure have. I had a state-of-the-art 486 33MHz PC at the time running MS-DOS 6.22. The BBS was in New Jersey and the name had something to do with the Canadian group RUSH. I called with PCPLUS in ASCII mode since I didn't have a Commodore anymore. When I stumbled upon C64TRM I ran it from DOS as well, not in a window. I remember how excited I was to find something that would let me call in something other than ascii only to be disappointed at how it just plain garbled most of what I saw on the screen. Featurewise/functionwise it just isn't a good term prog whether you compare it to any other DOS shareware terminal progs of that era (1991) or even any C64 terms!

But enough C64TRM bashing...For those of you who would like an alternative to CGTERM or are lucky enough to have a dial-up BBS that you can call without long distance charges I give you SyncTERM.

Full ANSI, Commodore PETSCII and even Atari 8-bit ATASCII support!

I just connected to one of my favorite telnet BBSes with it:




Connects via Telnet, RLogin, SSH, RAW, modem, and direct serial.
It's available for Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP, Linux, OpenBSD, NetBSD, OS X , and FreeBSD.

Did I mention scrollback buffer?Mr. Green

The price is reasonable: $0.00 USD/€0.00 (open source).

I'm gonna keep testing this with other boards and post my findings..Can someone try and connect to Borderline BBS or any other dial-up Commodore BBS and post their findings?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isepic wrote:
But enough C64TRM bashing...For those of you who would like an alternative to CGTERM or are lucky enough to have a dial-up BBS that you can call without long distance charges I give you SyncTERM.

Full ANSI, Commodore PETSCII and even Atari 8-bit ATASCII support!


Icepic, thanks for mentioning Syncterm. I've used it in the past for connecting to Telnet BBS's. Although I found that its 80-column C128 terminal support left something to be desired, its 40-column C64 terminal support is acutally quite good. I had forgotten that you can use Syncterm with a real modem, so yes, that would be an excellent option for calling Borderline BBS if you don't have a real Commodore computer and modem to call with. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bringing up this old post because I am having trouble with Syncterm. How do you set it to recognize C64 Ansi / Petscii graphics within the terminal session? I tryed setting my current screen mode to C64 and that didnt work.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind.. gave up and switched back to CGTerm. Smile
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