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| What forms of input should be allowed for the 'Arkanoid' competition? |
| Mouse countrol allowed |
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17% |
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| Mouse control not allowed |
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48% |
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| I have no preference; allow either |
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34% |
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Lemon64 Game Champion & Donator


Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Age: 41 Posts: 2644 Location: UK, Taunton Fave Game: Beamrider
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject: Lemon games compo round 6: Arkanoid - Control System? |
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Voters please identify yourselves and which vote you are casting.
The results of this poll will not be binding unless it is unanimously agreed upon.
In the spirit of fence-sitting I have voted 'no preference'. _________________ Hey, you. Dumbass. Yeah, you in the tank. Cosy in there? |
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Groupie in Training


Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 54 Location: North Wales
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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I've just voted No Preference.
While I prefer to use the mouse, I can use the keyboard also, and don't really care as long as I win
(or at least get good points!) |
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Lemon64 Donator!


Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Age: 43 Posts: 1300 Location: Italy, Rome
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:17 am Post subject: |
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No preferences for me too. I suck either with mouse or keyboard (  )
Anyway, if not using mouse can increase the challenge, I can only agree with that _________________ |
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Grandmaster of C64


Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Age: 38 Posts: 1813 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:32 am Post subject: |
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I am no preference, but I voted not allowed since we're looking at challenge factor for this compo. _________________ | Stingray wrote: | | So no one understands exactly how the C64 works as it is reversed engineered Alien technology via the Nazi Vrill project, Project Paper Clip and the TOI project. |
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Groupie in Training


Joined: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 146 Location: Vienna, Austria
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:17 am Post subject: |
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I voted Mouse allowed.
BTW, isn't "Mouse allowed" and "no preference/allow either" the same???
I mean, if it is allowed, no one forces you to use the mouse.
A poll allowed/not allowed would be much more logical. But then, it's maybe only me... |
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C64 Enthusiast


Joined: 03 Dec 2003 Age: 30 Posts: 984 Location: Oulu, Finland
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Not allowed, makes this game too easy to beat. |
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Lemon64 Game Champion


Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Age: 38 Posts: 3896 Location: Skegness, UK Fave game: The Sentinel
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:59 am Post subject: |
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I voted mouse not allowed, it's more of a challenge that way _________________ |
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Lemon64 Game Champion & Donator


Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Age: 41 Posts: 2644 Location: UK, Taunton Fave Game: Beamrider
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Foo Gen wrote: | BTW, isn't "Mouse allowed" and "no preference/allow either" the same???
I mean, if it is allowed, no one forces you to use the mouse.
A poll allowed/not allowed would be much more logical. But then, it's maybe only me... |
'No Preference' is an abstention vote. _________________
Hey, you. Dumbass. Yeah, you in the tank. Cosy in there? |
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Master of C64


Joined: 05 Aug 2002 Age: 37 Posts: 1208 Location: Berlin/Germany
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:53 am Post subject: |
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I voted for mouse control allowed because keyboard control is not only inferior but also infuriating with its inaccurcy and i'd like to compete. |
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Lemon64 Donator!


Joined: 18 Jan 2002 Age: 43 Posts: 2868 Location: Switzerland, Fave game: Boulder Dash
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:18 am Post subject: |
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No preference, I decided to play Arkanoid with the Lightgun....errrr no..... _________________ My life without a breadbin would be
like a world without the sun! |
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Groupie in Training


Joined: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 146 Location: Vienna, Austria
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Firefox wrote: | | No preference, I decided to play Arkanoid with the Lightgun....errrr no..... |
Lightgun must be the hidden fourth option.
27% + 32% + 32% = 99%
Makes 1% for the Lightgun!  |
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Lemon64 Game Champion & Donator


Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Age: 41 Posts: 2644 Location: UK, Taunton Fave Game: Beamrider
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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I was going to put 'Other' in the voting options, but I honestly couldn't think what anyone could use it for  _________________ Hey, you. Dumbass. Yeah, you in the tank. Cosy in there? |
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Lemon64 Donator!


Joined: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 796 Location: Denmark.... Fave game: Hat Trick
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Since we can't agree, I say let Thunderer decide. After all, he is filling out Matt's shoes at the moment.
All I'm saying is that if we don't allow mouse, we might have to go through this discussion every month.
Lightgun...good one, Firefox  |
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Lemon64 Donator!


Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Age: 43 Posts: 1300 Location: Italy, Rome
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, a light gun might be very useful... seriously!  _________________ |
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Team Member & Donator


Joined: 07 Jan 2004 Age: 31 Posts: 1504 Location: Iceland
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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I voted for no preference, I think you should get to play the game like you're used to.
I'll just use a joystick, though  _________________ |
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Forum Junkie


Joined: 11 Jun 2002 Age: 35 Posts: 581 Location: New York City USA Fave Game:Winter Games
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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This is all in good fun IMO. So for this round I voted not allowed but I would usually vote no preference in general.
The only reason I voted not allowed for this particular game is because the Arkanoid competition was already underway when this subject came up and there is a huge difference in scores when someone uses the mouse and when they use the keyboard. All that said, there could be some sort of squabble when the competition ends if the highest score is made by someone using the mouse and then you have people who have lower scores who used the keyboard or joystick.
Adding to what Hannibal said, if this situation comes up again I think we should have this sort of vote after a game is chosen. Delay the competition by 24-48 hours and ask people what they wish to do. Then let the gaming begin. Or if someone votes for a game that allows for mouse control state their preference in the voting itself. _________________ Are you on the same island as I am? |
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Forum Junkie


Joined: 08 Feb 2002 Age: 32 Posts: 469 Location: H'sluis, NL Fave Game: Last Ninja 2, Great Escape
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:15 am Post subject: |
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I voted not allowed. Mouse definatly makes it far more easier. _________________ "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) |
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Grandmaster of C64


Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Age: 38 Posts: 1813 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:40 am Post subject: |
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I thought about this in great detail during the night and I cannot force anybody to play with joystick/keyboard only for any competition. But this is a specific case which was made apparent during the first day of play so in the interest of the competition I would not force anybody but request that they play with keyboard/joystick, it's only one round after all and I doubt that we'll ever have a similar situation.
Therefore, for those who insist on using only mouse I can only plead to try out the keyboard and meet the challenge, everbody else already seems to be embracing this idea.
C'mon it's only a competition where we have fun and Shteev wins  _________________ | Stingray wrote: | | So no one understands exactly how the C64 works as it is reversed engineered Alien technology via the Nazi Vrill project, Project Paper Clip and the TOI project. |
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Master of C64


Joined: 05 Aug 2002 Age: 37 Posts: 1208 Location: Berlin/Germany
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Yes it is only one round but i don't want to let Shteev win this year easily so i am forced to compete even if i do not like the game very much (Arkanoid) and it makes me curse all the time, not because i suck so much at it but because the controls suck so much...
All in all a fine choice for a compo game, thanks a bunch ppl. |
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Groupie in Training


Joined: 18 Mar 2002 Posts: 137 Location: South Australia fave game: Nebulus most hated: Green Beret
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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I think this thing of limiting to just the keyboard is a stupid idea. After all, in the control selection of the game itself it lets you select mouse, paddles etc as well as a standard joystick, so anyone who has them should be allowed to use them.
The arcade original IIRC had a trackball. Could you imagine how bad the game would be to play if it used a joystick? _________________ Game on |
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Lemon64 Donator!


Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 736 Location: Vic, Australia Fave Game: Turrican II Hated Game: Arkanoid
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:59 am Post subject: |
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I think there are a couple of points that people are missing.
Firstly, if the controls are limited to keyboard, then everyone has the same disadvantage. Everyone has to deal with the shitty controls, awful collision detection and generally crappy quality.
Secondly, even if you do allow mouse, Shteev will still win, (and fair enough too), but also, since it seems much easier to complete the whole game the competition is reduced to points whoring since you can only go through 32 stages.
Thirdly, Shteevs current high score is quite reasonably beatable given a bit of work (I think I should be able to get quite close by the time the comp ends), so I don't think anyone has the right to complain there.
Look, I voted for keyboard only, but really if the other option was to sap this game for T.R.A.Z. I would secretly aquire everyones passwords just to boost the votes for that option.
Conclusion: Arkanoid sucks, but everyone has the same disadvantages. |
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Lemon64 Donator!


Joined: 31 Jan 2002 Age: 55 Posts: 1460 Location: USA, Texas Fav Game: Project Firestart
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:25 am Post subject: |
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I'm using the keyboard version of the joystick emulation in VICE. I don't see it as a problem. _________________ Emulation is the sincerest form of flattery. |
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C64 Games Programmer


Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 1247 Location: Italy, Rimini
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:38 am Post subject: |
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I am playing arkanoid with joystick, but I would let people using the control method they prefer, joystick, keyboard, mouse, paddle (in the real thing), or whatever they wish. (Just my opionion.)
Btw I wonder why many guys who vote Arkanoid for the compo, now are vanished in air, letting us struggling with this not-perfect game.
We should force 'em to take part to the compo someway  |
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Lemon64 Donator!


Joined: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 796 Location: Denmark.... Fave game: Hat Trick
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Thunderer wrote: | I thought about this in great detail during the night and I cannot force anybody to play with joystick/keyboard only for any competition. But this is a specific case which was made apparent during the first day of play so in the interest of the competition I would not force anybody but request that they play with keyboard/joystick, it's only one round after all and I doubt that we'll ever have a similar situation.
Therefore, for those who insist on using only mouse I can only plead to try out the keyboard and meet the challenge, everbody else already seems to be embracing this idea.
C'mon it's only a competition where we have fun and Shteev wins  |
C'mon Thunderer, this isn't a decision. Either say we can or we can't. Be hard! Use the powers given by Matt! You don't see the rules section filled with "I can only plead to those who want use trainer version that they try without it", do you?
If people want to break the rules, well, we can't do much about it. But that doesn't mean the rules shouldn't be clear for those who want to obey them. |
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Grandmaster of C64


Joined: 06 Jan 2002 Age: 38 Posts: 1813 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: |
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It was a decision formulated in a very polite and non-intrusive way. So basically what I am saying is [assertive voice]use joys/keys only[/assertive voice]. |
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