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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:32 pm    Post subject: lemon games compo 2, WONDERBOY IN MONSTERLAND! Reply with quote

is there any mod out there who could sticky this topic? thanks!

howdy hackers!

round 2 of our beloved compo!
WONDERBOY IN MONSTERLAND!,
a very neat sequel to WONDERBOY.




RULES:
Arrow games compo starts now and will end sunday the 29th of february, 24h00 PM
Arrow the aim of the game is to score as much points as possible.
Arrow post screenshots with your highest score in this thread.
Arrow don't cheat! (be fair alright?)
Arrow check out The Scorelord pages, now Cool
Arrow download WONDERBOY IN MONSTERLAND here, found at the gamebase, version by TRANSCOM.

EXTRAS:
Arrow if you wish, you can download the WONDERBOY IN MONSTERLAND maps here. source: the magyar c64 hq. (thanks SLF)

QUESTIONS:
Arrow please check the Lemon Games Compo FAQ

STANDINGS:
Arrow no standings so far, you can still check the final rankings from 2003 here. new ranking in the making! hang on...




have fun!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may get the ball rolling on this one:

298,140 (round 9)

http://spazioinwind.libero.it/cabi/wimboc.bmp
(copy and paste the link)

After I died I used a continue-play to check the supposed bug in the ending, and I found that it's all OK: after you kill the dragon ALL YOUR GOLD LEFT IS CONVERTED TO POINTS (no neverending score growth, then, Toggle). Thus my score on that (ILLEGAL) game was nearly double than the former, for just a couple of levels!

I suggest you all to check the map at web.externet.hu/c64 as it shows many of the tricks/hidden spots of the game.

I remind you all also that if you waggle the joystick (for me it's the keyboard, but anyway) when you get a hidden coin, chances are you'll get 68 gold instead of the usual 3 or 4.

Game on Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SLF wrote:
(no neverending score growth, then, Toggle)


Alright. Forget what I said... don't know where I got that idea from.

Happy gaming everyone! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I still think it's a cool platformer alright.
I attended in the llamacompetition when they were playing wonderboy in monsterland (the mame version) and it was pretty much fun competing!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt wrote:
well I still think it's a cool platformer alright.
I attended in the llamacompetition when they were playing wonderboy in monsterland (the mame version) and it was pretty much fun competing!


As I said before, I find it absolutely lovely Very Happy .

BTW Matt, if you wish the Scorelord pages to be updated with the Lemon scores, send an e-mail to Gordon with the top 3 scores, their name and nationality: in the past year I did so, otherwise it's unlikely the lazy guy passes information to the Almighty One. I don't think that El Gordo will be much pleased with the Thrust scores though...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay... I still know all the levels inside out and finished it at the first go!

1,162,470

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh, i didnt get past round2 so far (how am i supposed to hit *anything* with that measly sword?). Game doesnt look so interesting to me either, so i will rather start to contemplate my votes for next round.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First try is around 230,000 points. Now I realise how good a conversion this game is, as I have never played the C64 version while I knew the game inside out. It's amazing all the coins are in the same places as they are in the original.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SLF wrote:
BTW Matt, if you wish the Scorelord pages to be updated with the Lemon scores, send an e-mail to Gordon with the top 3 scores, their name and nationality: in the past year I did so, otherwise it's unlikely the lazy guy passes information to the Almighty One. I don't think that El Gordo will be much pleased with the Thrust scores though...
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wow, I didn't know YOU were the one that sent those scores monthly towards the scorelord! that's awesome mate! I definitely owe you!
but yes, I don't think he will appreciate the scores for thrust tho' hehe Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

277.150 (round nine) damn...I really wanted to score higher that SLF Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeroen wrote:
277.150 (round nine) damn...I really wanted to score higher that SLF Mad


The road is long and we're already near...

Let's have some fun competition, mate Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeroen, SLF: You guys are on Twisted Evil

Jeroen, welcome to the competition. We take no prisoners here so don't expect any mercy Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Silly Devil Silly

MWUHAHAHAHAHAA
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehe
so you joined the competition jeroen! at last!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my first and final attempt:



My god, I hate this game!!

Not to offend the fans of WiM, but it is IMO totally not suited for this compo. There is no skill involved. Just wonder along, picking up coins and stuff. When you get the sword, the boots, the shield and the armour, you're practically immortal. The bosses are ridiculous. Just stand still and press fire a couple of hundred times and they'll die. Where's the fun in that?
Normally games get harder the further you get. This is just the opposite.

I don't think I have ever completed a game in my first try before. To me that indicates that the game is too easy.
It was a bore to complete, it loaded a zillion times(thx for the alt+f3 tip, SLF), and I'm not doing it again just to find a few extra coins somewhere to boost my score.

I'm looking forward to next month.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for being so negative. It's just not my game.

Have fun everybody who do like it. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: It seems that I was way overenthusiastic in telling my score... it appears that I only scored a meager 130,000 .... :oops: :oops: :oops: Back to the ole drawing board.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hannibal wrote:
Sorry for being so negative. It's just not my game.

Have fun everybody who do like it. Very Happy


You seem to be sort of a natural in this game. Smile

Did you notice that in the beginning you have to turn OFF the trainers? Laughing (they're on by default).

I ask because it seems quite strange to me that you finished the game on your first go, with your revival medicine left, without any other object in the inventory (shouldn't the red ruby be there? Not sure about that) and with all ten hearts of energy (how did you get those?).

Don't get me wrong, hannibal, you know I fully trust you, I'm just awestruck by your performance.

Yours sincerely,
Supreme Lemon Fluke Cool

BTW I played the game for quite some time in the past, and I never completed without continue-plays (just got near the end) and I never got all ten hearts (just 8 or 9). I had some reservations on the competition-suitedness of it, but being so fun to me I voted for it nonetheless. Sorry if you or other people didn't enjoy it. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did turn off the default trainer. I asked myself the same question since I couldn't believe how easy it was. I did lose energy early on and had to buy some at the medic's twice (I was down to one heart), but later I hardly lost any (only when walking on fire). The last couple of bosses walked right through me and nothing happened?!? I just thought it was the armour that did it, but perhaps this isn't how it ought to be?

The last battle with the dragon I only lost two hearts out of ten.

One thing though: At the end of some levels (perhaps all, I didn't pay much attention) my energy was almost fully restored. Could that be some cheat option I didn't turn off?

I don't know what I did to get all ten hearts. The number just increased throughout the game. At one point I picked up three big hearts but I think I already had all ten.

I never found a ruby. I found lots of gauntlets and helmets but they dissappeared after a while.



SLF wrote:
You seem to be sort of a natural in this game.


I normally suck at this type of games. For instance, I have never completed Giana Sisters in 100+ tries. Actually, I can't recall completing any platform games at all.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My knowledge of the game is not so deep, so perhaps others (Toggle?) could help.

There is one built-in cheat that I mentioned in the voting thread, that involves getting on a roof top in Baraboro village and hitting with the sword a wall: this way you get all ten hearts and invincibility. You obviously didn't do that, as you still lost some energy after that.

As far as I know, the armour just lowers the energy loss when you're hit. Strange that the monsters near the end of the game just walked through you while nothing happened. Don't know why.

At the end of each round (not each load) some of your energy DOES get replenished, that is definitely not a bug or a cheat.

AFAIK the big hearts fully replenish your energy, but don't give you extra hearts.

I noticed that getting a harp gives you one more heart, can anybody confirm this?

In the game there are places where you meet people who help you: they give you IIRC a letter, a flute, an eel, the hero's emblem and in the end a red ruby which weakens the dragon (you obviously didn't need that Wink )

Congratulations on your skill, hannibal Cool

You turned off all 4 trainers and still completed the game on your first go.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

proving why I don't compete very often in the lemon games compo:

boy I suck at this! Mad
hehe Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

btw,
how do I grab my screenshots size 320X200, and without that black border like above (and below)? or is that impossible using ccs64?

you'd better check out the difference, in case I didn't make myself very clear:

bad way:


good way:


or should I use a paint proggy to remove the black border? that would sound obvious, ehm, but boring also!

thanks Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you'd all get a kick out of seeing how appallingly bad I am at this game. There had to be ONE, didn't there Smile :oops:



27840

I have to say that this version isn't a patch on, err, ANY other version; whoever wrote the scrolling routine should be ashamed of themselves. Still, time willing, I'll have a few goes at this.

Congrats to everyone whose already completed this! What, less than a week into the compo? And hannibal, ONE GAME???? Niiiiiiiiice.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the kind words , SLF and Shteev. To be honest I did play it twice last week, just to see what it was people were talking about.(dying both games at the second boss), but I only played one time in the compo.

Though it seems I had my share of beginner's luck, I still feel the gameplay is flawed. Once you get past the first few rounds and start to increase the number of hearts in the life-indicator, it obviously takes a lot more to kill you. This makes the game feel easier in the end than in the beginning.

Props to Toggle for leading the compo by 400.000


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thought you'd all get a kick out of seeing how appallingly bad I am at this game. There had to be ONE, didn't there

I did Laughing
Nice to see you're half human, half computer. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muhahahaa Shteev i got more than you! 31k something.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time i played i was stuck on what is called round 9 (it is still round 3 or 4 though) on the maps listed above. I went to the left, killed the baddie over there and got a feather - but then what? Jumping onto the clouds did only give me some bonus coins and i couald leave the level in any direction.

Any other tips? What is the deal with the shields, armors and other stuff like helmets and gauntlets you get in the course of the game. Is anybody really enjoying this game (hello voters)?
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